[Matt]

Quote by: Hurt So the animals that are going extinct aren't allowed to be hunted, that's already been done. What's your point? Where are you going with this?

Ummm, me and the the Bacon Guy were talking about overpopulation. One of the things dictionaries put in their description of the word 'overpopulation' is 'enviroment deteriration'. Since some species have went extinct or their populations have reduced drastically because of humans, I would call that eviroment deteriration.

Quote by: tivodan1116 sigh... Genesis 9:1-3 1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. Look, you're not going to win from a biblical perspective. The God of the Bible CLEARLY intends for animals to be food for us. He could have told Noah right here that he would help him by providing plants and fruit, but he didn't. He said now I give you all of the animals for food. You can't pick and choose which parts of the creation story you believe or not. We've already shown that from a scientific perspective you're argument is nonsense. Where is this going?

I forget where I read it in the Bible, but I'm pretty sure God states that we should take no more then we need (relating to animals). If we need zero nowadays, that means taking one is too much.

Quote by: another day That's like saying that this is a thread about christianity, not about god. The two are inevitably related and therefore you must talk about them both if you want any kind of meaningful, relevant discussion. No, it means either you think farming animals is a better method of procuring meat then hunting them, or that you think all meat eating is bad, in which case your "hunting=bad" position is simply part of a larger worldview that all meat eating is bad. Therefore we cannot attack your position on hunting without attacking your position on meat eating as a whole. To only attack your position on hunting, your position would have to be based on certain factors such as the one that farming is more humane compared to hunting, or that farming is more beneficial to the environment. But that's not your position... it's simply that meat-eating = wrong therefore hunting=wrong. So it brings us back to the vegetarian debate. Why didn't you just talk about hunting in the vegetarian thread? It's all related. You say people are trying to swing the topic to suit them better, infact that's not the case. It's YOU who has created a narrowed down, niche focussed thread on hunting in an attempt to manipulate the discourse by saying people cannot bring vegetarianism into the mix, therefore making it impossible for people to refute your position. Life purpose? What is it's life purpose? The only purpose of anything that exists is to serve as a strand in the web of nature. A big part of that web is that everything eats everything else. Circle of life and all that. You can't say an animal has a "life purpose" any more then you can a tree. It wasn't that tree's life purpose to end up as my house, but it was my need to use that tree for my purpose. Purposes only exist to fill needs. One of my needs is food. Animals fill that purpose. I'm not gonna be sentimental about it, it's the harsh reality of nature.

You make assumptions very easily. This debate was about hunting, not about eating meat. The main thing that bugged me about hunting is someone is killing an animal...not the part about eating it.

No, all things have a life purpose other then to serve as food or 'part of the web'. Their purpose is to breed and continue the species, but more so it is just the purpose to live, to enjoy, to have fun, to have a good life.

If I say I don't like cats, does that mean I like dogs more? No, of course not. For some reason you believe me going after hunting means I think factory farming in better. It isn't, but I choose in this thread to talk about hunting since it is something that hits closer to home with me.

I'm fine if you want to bring on the 'meat eating' debate in this thread, but thats wasn't its original purpose.