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Old Jun 28, 2004, 09:27 pm   #66 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams
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The only communist society I could envisage working would be a collection of kibbutz style (not neccesarily same scale) communities. So for the following, this is not what I would want imposed on everyone, it's what I would suggest for my community, others can reject it if they like. This way, we can all organise our societies as we choose, rather than being born into a single system and have no choice. (idealistic perhaps, but why work for anything but an ideal?)

On why would people do shitty jobs - Well we could split a persons week. 10 hours of the week everyone does crap jobs. And rotate through the crap jobs, who wants to clean a public toilet if you can sweep? And 30 hours spent on the job of your choice. Perhaps for certain professions, if people show a great aptitude for it and it is quite crucial for society, such as science or medicine, they could work it fully, but only by qualified majority voting of the community to show consent for it. You might suggest that why should someone choose to stick by the decisions of the community over something as important to them as their job, but remember they are free to leave and find a more suitable society for them.

I'd hate to break this to you, the people who currently scrub floors, work mines and pick your coffee beans are not being "paid handsomely" they get some of the worst pay in the world. That is another communists rail at. That those who do the hardest work physically get paid the worst. Some say that because no qualifications are needed to get these jobs, they are less worthy of being paid so well. No qualification? How about being prepared to die in order to dig tin for someone else, and get paid virtually nothing for it? Not to mention the qualification of sacrificing years off their lifespan, the health of their backs, lungs and eyes. How does private property protect the rights of these people? The only land around them, which contains all they need to survive is "owned" by someone else, thus they work for them. Just because you get to choose your master these days, doesn't make the workers any less bound in serfdom than were there forefathers.

I think there are some mistakes being made. Individuality exists, it would be naiive or aggressively ignorant to deny it. But individualism is a principle, and a principle only exists when we make it exist, when we live it. The same goes for collectivism.

And it is the manipulation of neccesities that communism is opposed to. If the means of production, which as the neccesities and the tools to convert raw goods into neccesities, are publicly owned then no one person can exploit them to the detriment of others without their consent.


Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill
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