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Quote by: Anmon Also if you believe the Biblical book of Revelation as I do, it speaks of a huge army from the east coming to the middle east, so big it would drink rivers dry, which only leaves me to conclude that the only nation on earth capable of fielding an army that size is China, and the most logical way to get them and tanks there quickly would be a superhwy that links China and the middle east, that goes through Tibet, over nepal and into Iran.

China has no interest controlling the middle east (at least not directly). No, China's always been about face. Losing part of the country displays lack of competence and control. The superhighway is probably just China trying to move some of it's people out of the over crowded east. That or it's way of saying "Tibet is ours, and to prove it, we're going to build a highway through it."

Quote by: vysis Lets see... when theres is an uprising or at least an violent demonstration of this magnitude, the military is usually called in. This is perfectly ordinary.

Fire live ammunition and evicting the press, however, is not perfectly ordinary.

The fact the you cite wikipedia as a source automatically fails you as a credible and respectable debater.

However, most wiki pages site their sources, so it's not to hard to check out how true the page.

Quote by: vysis Also, Canada and America did a pretty good job of " dominate and eliminate all things" Aboriginal [Indian]. How bout we fix up and clean up our own mess before we go half way across the world and start shouting at other people to clean up theirs. Lets not be hypocritics.

Fair argument, yet our atrocities are in our past. The little we can do to fix them have been attempted. Guantanamo is a walk in the park compared to some of the things the Chinese government has tried. And even if it were hypocritical, these are people's lives we're talking about. When it comes down to that, the rest is crap.

Also, China never wanted to "dominate and trample the rights of Tibetans". The Tibetans lived peaceful life before they started this whole uprising and guess what? Uprising, especially violent uprisings, can only be dealt with force.

Uprisings, as long as they are peaceful, should not be dealt with force, if only because it looks bad.

I do recognize that the Tibetan protests were violent at times, in fact they killed several innocent people, however that does not mean you open fire on them. Also, the Chinese government reacted against the monks as well, who were peaceful. The ones who were violent weren't the monks.

This isn't as cut and dry as some people make it out to be, but China's actions were less then pure. I shouldn't judge the situation from an armchair, but I've seen this happen many times before. Tianamen square is only the tip of the iceberg. There are many local uprisings due to corruption in local government. The media never gets there fast enough to see incidents sometimes worse then Tianamen unfold in these villages. But it's a trend that has remained with China for as long as I can remember picking up a newspaper.