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Old Apr 9, 2008, 06:03 pm   #37 (permalink) (top)
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If hunting were replaced with "natural" predators, the deer most certainly would be killed. That would be the whole point of introducing the predators: to keep the deer population under control.

Again you ignore the point. The other creature wouldn't need to kill the deer to survive if it wasn't introduced back into the ecosystem by humans. Lowering deer populations is going to require some form of human intervention, whether it is by killing the deer ourselves or by introducing wolves to to the job for us. Either way, we humans have intervened. The question now is simply which manner of human intervention is preferable; one which creates and enjoyable passtime for many people, or one which will take years of time and effort.

The weakest deer would be killed, since those are the ones that predators go after. Humans though go after the biggest, healthiest bucks in most cases.

Wolves aren't as greedy as humans, they would only kill what they need to survive with. I'm sure if you let a pack of wolves kill as many deer as they wanted over a month, and let hunters be allowed to kill as many deer as they wanted over a month, the wolves would have killed much fewer deer.

We caused the problem, and if we try to fix it, I'm pretty sure it wont work, it's basically trying to fix a human caused problem with humans

Humans are a part of nature. Anything we do is, by definition, natural.


The predators which you argue need the meat from the deer are hypothetical predators. They don't exist yet and the only way they will exist is if we humans go to a lot of effort to introduce these predators into the wild. Why should we do this when we can simply kill the deer ourselves in an enjoyable fashion?


In which case the species becomes overpopulated and dies of starvation, as well as destroying parts of its ecosystem.


And you would also be ruining the same lives by introducing wolves and cougars into the ecosystem.


Right, well you're wrong. Not much more I can say on that
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If we are a part of nature, we are very out of touch with it.

Like I said, fixing human caused problems with humans most likely wont work.

Example of a re-introduction of a predator:

The Sea Otter went extinct in parts North America (Pacific coast) and it caused an overpopulation of sea urchines and other crustaceans which, at their hightened population, ate alot more of the kelp then they would normally. With out alot of the kelp, the baby fish didn't have many places to hide and their populations went down. Fisheries were getting mad. People re-introduced the Sea Otter in the parts in where they went extinct and now the Sea Otter is thriving and the population of the sea urchines and other crustaceans are in check, and the ecosystem is running smoothly again.

Could you then explain how deer have an overpopulation, but we don't?
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