[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Matt No, if a deer wasn't killed by a human, it wouldn't then always be killed by a real predator.

If hunting were replaced with "natural" predators, the deer most certainly would be killed. That would be the whole point of introducing the predators: to keep the deer population under control.

Quote by: Matt It may live out its life, it may get eaten by a wolf, who knows. Either way it would have liven a longer life and if it was eaten, the meat helped another creature survive.

Again you ignore the point. The other creature wouldn't need to kill the deer to survive if it wasn't introduced back into the ecosystem by humans. Lowering deer populations is going to require some form of human intervention, whether it is by killing the deer ourselves or by introducing wolves to to the job for us. Either way, we humans have intervened. The question now is simply which manner of human intervention is preferable; one which creates and enjoyable passtime for many people, or one which will take years of time and effort.

The answer doesn't seem obvious to me. Let nature come back, and restore itself,

Humans are a part of nature. Anything we do is, by definition, natural.

Quote by: Matt and not let some people go kill some animals when the product of that animal is NOT neededm and it could be consumed me soemthing that needed it

The predators which you argue need the meat from the deer are hypothetical predators. They don't exist yet and the only way they will exist is if we humans go to a lot of effort to introduce these predators into the wild. Why should we do this when we can simply kill the deer ourselves in an enjoyable fashion?

Quote by: Matt OR it could live out its life.

In which case the species becomes overpopulated and dies of starvation, as well as destroying parts of its ecosystem.

Quote by: Matt The objection is they are ruining lives.

And you would also be ruining the same lives by introducing wolves and cougars into the ecosystem.

Quote by: Matt We do have an overpopulation. We have no natural predators. We are ruining the earth, that is what I consider overpopulation.

Right, well you're wrong. Not much more I can say on that.