| This is an awesome thread Jimmythepro is a christian who uses the mind God gave him to think with. And loser has some interesting things to say too. However loser thinks people aren't important and Gods growing a big harvest to take a few. That's where ya loose me man. I know the bible talks like that I've read it too but once again. The bible is written by the hands of men, and men paint their ways of thinking onto God, and like you said that's a big problem. Why doesn't it seem obvious that we are all little pieces of our source. I don't mean our bodies I mean our life force. The same life force in animals trees etc. It's all God and as such it will all be redeemed to God whatever crucifixion must come first. If you study the scriptures hard enough you'll realize that God is in control of everything and mans so called free will is an illusion. It's no wonder that even the writers of the bible didn't want to except the idea that we don't have free will, nobody wants to accept that, it's probably the hardest thing for any man to except. In our puny futile pride filled minds it's not acceptable. Also all the evil scare tactic teachings of christianity wouldn't hold up anymore if not for the idea of free will. It's your fault that you are how u are and u better change and do like we say or else. God lets us fool ourselves and each other with this because we are still just living out a predetermined plan much bigger than any of us could ever comprehend or figure out. God's sovereignty is absolutely real and there is no way that our free will can be true at the same time. If you ask a pastor about this you'll get mumbo jumbo and a magic spell, or an honest " I don't know how those two things can be true at the same time" You are thinking for yourself right now the thoughts that have been chosen and allowed for you to think. God gives the ears to hear and eyes to see to those God chooses etc. If someone changes in belief, it was Gods will. I'll probably get flamed for daring to say all this but maybe someone out there is ready to understand something that clears up an immeasurable amount of confusion. And all people being little fragments of God are forever immesurably important, as are all living things. Does that mean you shouldn't hunt an animal to feed your family? Absolutely not, if your hunt is successful, it's a gift of God, a piece of life to give you life. The native americans gave thanks for this reason. But huge truths like this are too big for the spiritual babies (majority of mankind) to accept so we go on fighting in ignorance and illusion. It's nothing to lose sleep over though because God is responsible for it all and all truths will be revealed and all suffering ended when we are collectively ready. Like Einstein said, we have to all be in. Only God can bring us all to the understanding of truth and until then we will always be engaged in debates, wars, injustices etc. We need all this pain for our character development or something;-) |