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Quote by: Sonart .LOL!! Or Russia. Oh goodie, I fee so much better. Now if only we were less violent than the world's civilized nations. What's ignorant is to believe a nation awash in guns, and fueled by the mythology of a gun culture, is NOT affected by guns. .

What is really ignorant is that there are 300,000,000 people in the US with 100,000,000 gun owners and still there are only 14,000 homicides and you act like it is an epidemic. When looking at the death statistics for the US homicides are at .7% of all deaths. When compared to the population it’s in the thousandths of a percent. If it were a disease no one would be even bother looking at it. It isn’t about guns it is about control.

CAUSES OF DEATH

Quote by: Sonart .The rule with one lower court. They'll be going AGAINST a 70 yr-old standing precedent of the USSC and rulings by the overwhelming majority of lower courts. Probably explains why, in 70 years, the NRA and the gun lobby has never actually supported a challenge to any of the evil "20,000 gun control laws" as violations of 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms that they keep telling Americans they all have. .

It appears that you were a little premature with your post, even the attorney for DC wouldn’t even try to float the fallacy of a collective right in front of SCOTUS. As we have always claimed it is an individual right and it seems that 8 of 9 on SCOTUS appear to agree. Because of 70 years of courts claiming it to be a collective right, a false precedent that was never set by Miller even the attorney for DC and the DC government knew it. The courts are finally recognizing the people’s rights. This only the first step for the people to reaffirm there god given rights to be able to protect themselves and their families.

Quote by: Sonart For one, the 2nd Amendment needn't be repealed. Simply left the way it is now... moot... meaningless... irrelevant... because a well-regulated militia is no longer necessary for the security of our free state. .

This of course is your own uninformed and ignorant opinion. To allow a corrupt government to have complete power over its people is dangerous to the lives of that populace. As proved through out history, as if the 56+ million murdered in just the last century alone by their governments isn’t enough to prove how deadly governments can become. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Quote by: Sonart For another, most actually do seem mostly opposed to not being able to buy the latest AR-15 to shoot at woodchucks.

Actually once the public have been educated as to what an AR-15 is their mind changes since they realize that the anti gun movement has perpetrated a false assumption on the public that an assault weapon is a machinegun. I have educated many on this and once they realize the difference your argument falls on def ears. If you can’t sway people with the truth then they are truly ignorant.

Quote by: Sonart I don't trust that one in a thousand law-abiding citizen who ceases to be law-abiding the moment they commit their first crime, which could easily be an act of murderous rage or stupidity made possible because a gun was all too readily available.

First off lets not misinform anyone with this since the number you really meant to say is more like one in five hundred thousand to one million or more is what you really meant to say right? I guess that is only off by 500 to 1000 %. The occurrence you have mentioned is so rare that to make laws about this is just ridicules since you would deprive 300,000,000 people of their rights because of something that may happen a few hundred times a year instead of going after criminals.

Quote by: Sonart Dreamy horsesh!t. The Civil War put an and to that silly idea. The U.S. government possesses the most power military in the history of the world. You really think you band of side-armed Minute Men are going to overthrow the U.S. ala 1776?

If you really look at the civil war you will see that the main reason the north won was because of superior numbers in population. If a revolt were to happen the US military would be out numbered by 100 to 1 you may believe it’s dreamy HS but anyone with half a brain can see it isn’t and the only way it would be dreamy HS is if those revolting were unarmed.

Quote by: Sonart That would be called assymetrical or guerilla warfare. The Vietnamese used it against us, and the Afghans used it against the Soviets... both losing over a million dead in the process. The big difference, of course, was that they weren't kicking their oppressors out of their own countries.

LOL in both of those conflicts the guerillas eventually won with inferior numbers. Here the revolt would have the advantage of a superior number to the oppressor.

Quote by: Sonart By the standards of our earlier civil war, 600,000 dead (no idea how many civilians) out of a population of 30 million... out of 300 million Americans today, that's about 6 million dead.

That number is pale in comparison to the unarmed murdered by their governments and oppressors in the last century. Over 56 million murdered by government.

Quote by: Sonart That's real romantic and all, but to be honest, I think the methods of non-violent methods Martin Luther King, Jr., Gandhi and Corazon Aquino would work a whole lot better in changing the government.

The only reason that Martin Luther King, Jr., Gandhi and Corazon Aquino were successful is that they were fighting democracies had the governments been tyrannical all of them would have never graced the history books. They would have ended up face down with a bullet in their back in an unmarked mass grave before anyone would have known who they were. Right along side of the tens of millions of other name less dissidents that decayed in unmarked mass graves in recent history.

Quote by: Sonart And here we demonstrate the absolute stupidity of the gun loons lack of an arguement. When someone else tried to say that cars are more dangerous than guns, I pointed out the obvious... that there are more passenger cars in America than privately owned guns, and that among those cars, each is used hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands of times more often than guns....which are responsible for about 30 to 40 thousand deaths a year, not your absurd figure of 600, making automobiles many thousands time safer than firearms.

Here are the flaws in your logic and statistics. One guns are used more often than cars a car is only dangerous when it is being driven, a gun is as you said is dangerous because of it being accessible, I agree with this. A law abiding gun owner has 24/7 access to their guns, you don’t drive a car 24/7. Pumping up the numbers did you? it’s around 14 to 15 thousand. I never used 600 where did you get that #?