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Quote by: Chaossaber How do we know anything from that choppy footage?

Well, we know that Riley and his dog are both alive, free of bullet holes and basically unharmed, therefore it's apparent the authorities used proportionate force to subdue and capture a fleeing suspect... one who, given the fact that he willingly armed wanted fugitives, very well could have been armed himself, beyond the coffee cup.

Quote by: Milton Bradley Who used violence to solve their problem?

The people authorized by the American people to do so, in the course of apprehending resisting criminals.

You don't have a problem with arresting criminals, do you, Milton? How would you deal with people who are armed and vowed to resist arrest? Plant a line of Skittles along a path, leading to a camouflaged paddy wagon, and hope they follow it inside?

Quote by: Milton Bradley Why were they in camoflage hiding on the property in the first place?

Double Duh... so they could see what was going on in the compound without being seen themselves.

Quote by: Milton Bradley Arrest them, or don't.

Triple Duh... there were, what, hundreds of people there? Who were they? What were they doing? How many were armed? Were there lookouts? How many? What were the possible escape routes? Had they set up any traps, alarms or ambushes? What would be the quickest, least dangerous way to affect an arrest?

They were approaching an encampment filled with armed defenders of escaped fugitives. Jeez, Milton, when you choose, you can be as dense as granite. Did you imagine that crowd was simply going to allow the Feds to walk in and "Arrest them, or don't?"

Quote by: Milton Bradley How about people who happen to agree with them, that the Supreme Court screwed up, and ruled incorrectly, granting the government too much power.

Then they should be prepared to be arrested, go to court, make their case and pay the consequences of civil disobedience, because simply disagreeing with a law doesn't change it and defying it means you'll be arrested, with or without your cooperation and with whatever force is deemed necessary for the safety of everyone involved... particularly the safety of the law enforcers.

Quote by: Milton Bradley To clarify my position, I'm not OK with that. Law enforcement is supposed t announce their presence, and their intent.

Law enforcement isn't allowed to conduct investigations and surveilance? Says who?

Quote by: HelioPrime If you dislike the current government so much the leave the country and let the majority get on with our lives.

Isn't that usually your line, Milton?

Seems more than appropriate here.

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