[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: tivodan1116 Ah yes, I love posts filled with nothing but asinine non-responses...

You must, you make your fair share of them. Perhaps even more than your fair share.

Quote by: tivodan1116 Lecturing others about wasting resources.

I wasn't lecturing others about wasting resources, I was responding to the churches condemnation of us unwashed hoards with a casual observation of my own.


If your guilty conscience takes it as a personal attack, perhaps one should reflect inward rather than lashing out at others with false accusations.

Quote by: tivodan1116 Furthermore, you have yet to provide anything except your own casual observations that the churches are heating their buildings for anything other than the hours each week when people are there. How about you try providing some, gosh I don't know, EVIDENCE that your initial point in this thread is even true before you make ridiculous accusations?

I was letting the reader make their own observation regarding this, and rested my case on the fact that one can make this observation wherever the temperatures are extreme enough to warrant heating, and air consitioning.


I know you don't trust the reader to establish any objective truths fro themselves, but I do.

Quote by: tivodan1116 Again, evidence is your friend.

Again, opening ones eyes can also be beneficial to the organism.

Quote by: tivodan1116 Ready to see how ridiculous your anecdotal "reasoning" is?

Oh yes, do school me Mr' 2/3rds of a lawyer.

Quote by: tivodan1116 My house was built in 1829. It is listed on several Registers of Historic Places and from the exterior (just like your admitted only view of these churches) looks as it did over 150 years ago............ It also exceeds Energy Star requirements for a structure of its size and is far more efficient than most new construction in the United States. Your view proves nothing, get it?

Oh, and how many times was that structure renovated?


How mant times have the churches in question been renovated? ( None, if my guess is correct )

Quote by: tivodan1116 I'm suggesting that you have no evidence of this. The difference is that your suggestion is just a suggestion meant to troll people, and my suggestion can be easily demonstrated by anyone reading this thread.

Actually, quite to the contrary, I suspect they shall be able to go out of their own doors, and make the same observation, and judge for themselves. ( Again, this boils down to trusting the reader to investigate for themselves rather than taking my word for it. )

Quote by: tivodan1116 And as I said, a church is just like any other organization in that it takes in certain resources and produces certain outcomes with those resources. One of the resources used by the church is energy for heat. Just as a pure example, I know that my church, which exists solely on donations, spends more in a year on outreach and mission work than on utilities. That means that for the price of utilities (and other expenses), our church is able to generate community service that exceeds the market value (not to mention the intangible value) of the amount of resources spent on heat.

This does nothing to to disprove that wasting non-renewable resources makes them more scarce, and more costly to those with less options. Now, what is the stated charter of the organizaion in question again?

Quote by: tivodan1116 You stated in a nutshell that you were trolling in the OP. Your "ideas" and "questions" contained within, as I and others have pointed out, were based upon nothing except your own extremely limited, highly biased view of the world.

No, that was the added bonus. My comments were made to promote discussion about the role the church has in rising feul prices.