[tivodan1116]

Ah yes, I love posts filled with nothing but asinine non-responses...

Quote by: Milton Bradley Really, I'm heating unused space in this thread?

Lecturing others about wasting resources.

I stay warm to stay alive, I do not heat my garage so I can go out, and spend a few hours there once a week.

Well, since we have technology (read:clothing) that will allow us to easily survive and even carry out our lives for months at a time in temperatures as low as 40 degrees (much below that and hydration becomes impractical), I'm assuming that's where you have your thermostat set? Because otherwise you're not merely "staying alive", you're being comfortable. And if you're going to lecture others about being wasteful you should be using the absolute minimum needed to survive yourself.

Furthermore, you have yet to provide anything except your own casual observations that the churches are heating their buildings for anything other than the hours each week when people are there. How about you try providing some, gosh I don't know, EVIDENCE that your initial point in this thread is even true before you make ridiculous accusations?

You probably don't mind your church having a political opinion either.

Irrelevant personal comment. Ignored.

Because I live here, and I can attest to the empty parking lots, and the newspaper articles articulating how attendance is down. Not to mention I never see the masses mobilizing on Sunday morning for the mass exodus out of the neighborhood to church like they used to.

Logical fallacy: Anecdote.

Again, evidence is your friend.

Most of the churches around here are ancient relics built in another century with no thought given to energy conservation. We're talking massive old brick churches.

And none of this - either the era in which they were built, or the size of the building, is any... wait for it... EVIDENCE of anything.

Ready to see how ridiculous your anecdotal "reasoning" is?

My house was built in 1829. It is listed on several Registers of Historic Places and from the exterior (just like your admitted only view of these churches) looks as it did over 150 years ago......





...... It also exceeds Energy Star requirements for a structure of its size and is far more efficient than most new construction in the United States.

Your view proves nothing, get it?

I'm suggesting that the Minister is heating the church all week long for the small group of paritioners that attend sporadically.

I'm suggesting that you have no evidence of this. The difference is that your suggestion is just a suggestion meant to troll people, and my suggestion can be easily demonstrated by anyone reading this thread.

Except we all know that they are already all heating their homes seperately.

Do we? Um... My thermostat goes down on Sunday mornings, and my heat doesn't run at all while I am at Church. In case you can't figure it out, that means I'm using ZERO resources to heat my house while I'm at church. How do you know they don't do the same? If they have programmable thermostats they probably do.

Really Tivo, buy an argument already.

If only I could find someone who had one to sell... you sure don't.

I wasn't questioning giving money to the church, I was questioning how the church spent that money, and the ramifications of those actions.

And as I said, a church is just like any other organization in that it takes in certain resources and produces certain outcomes with those resources. One of the resources used by the church is energy for heat. Just as a pure example, I know that my church, which exists solely on donations, spends more in a year on outreach and mission work than on utilities. That means that for the price of utilities (and other expenses), our church is able to generate community service that exceeds the market value (not to mention the intangible value) of the amount of resources spent on heat.

Economics 101 (more like 01) says that's a positive return on investment. If you told Warren Buffet that for a few dollars in natural gas and electric he could receive thousands of dollars worth of services in return, do you think he'd take that deal?

Quote by: Milton Bradley He deserves no props for being obtuse, and substituting his own ill concieved ideas in place of the original question, which he claimed was too complicated, or not worded clearly enough for him to comprehend.

LOL and who is substituting things? Show me where I claimed ANY of this or admit you're lying. I never claimed anything was too complicated in the slightest.

You stated in a nutshell that you were trolling in the OP. Your "ideas" and "questions" contained within, as I and others have pointed out, were based upon nothing except your own extremely limited, highly biased view of the world.