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Quote by: Kite I guess your missing the whole part where it says 'citizens right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon'. It says we should have a well maintained militia, yes, but the second part is a separate statement.

No Kite, it's not a seperate statement; the first clause qualifies the second... "you have the right to keep and bear arms, PROVIDED THAT it's necessary for the maintainance of a well-regulated militia, as defined by the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, clauses 15-16."

The thing is, you don't have to take my word for it. The definition I just stated has been the standing precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court since they ruled on United States v. Miller in 1939, and the vast majority of the Federal Courts have confirmed and expanded on that ruling since then; that the 2nd Amendment guarantees a COLLECTIVE RIGHT of States to arm militias, not an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT to own guns.

Here, Read for yourself...

Since you apparently missed it, that's what this thread is all about... the first case in 70 years in which the Supreme Court will actually rule on what the 2nd Amendment does or doesn't mean.

Quote by: Kite And as long as there is government corruption and those in high places that would seek to do us harm there will always be a need for a good militia.

Yeah? Which militia is that?

Quote by: Roxdog Sonart, you might as well be working for Mrs. Brady herself. You are using all the same long debunked tripe...We understand you are a gungrabbing, bootlicking coward but try to at least tell the truth.

Really? Then perhaps you can explain why it's significant that the Supremes are currently ruling on Heller v. DC.

Don't you find it interesting that the NRA and the gun lobby has been telling you that you have right that, for the last 70 years, the Courts have actually ruled you don't really have. And even more specificallly, with the constitutionality of all kinds of laws being challenged before the Court every year, not once in 70 long years has he NRA or any other part of the gun lobby or the gun industry attempted to challenge any of the "20,000" onerous gun control laws as violations of your 2nd Amendment rights.

C'mon, Rox, explain it to me... if the Brady Bill was so horrible, why didn't the NRA simply challenge it before the Supreme Court as a violation of your guaranteed right to bear arms? Hmmmm?

Quote by: Roxdog Ha....the standing Army/Navy/Marines/NG are the "well regulated militia", genius. We are "the people". Do try to keep up...

No, the standing Army is the standing Army... exactly what Washington and other founders did NOT want, and why they differentiated between the 'Army' 'Navy' and the 'Militia' in the Constitution itself. See for yourself... here's the United States Constitution. Try actually reading it.

Quote by: Roxdog Based on reality, in America, cars are more deadly than guns. Fact. Wording it cleverly doesn't change the nature of reality.

No, Roxy dear, on a per use basis, they're not. But hey, there's lies, there's damn lies, and there's statistics.

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