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Quote by: Sonart . Well given that we're the most violent, murderous nation in the civilized 1st world, Dunedan, obviously SOMEONE is, certainly more Americans per capita than in other countries, and it's really absurd to suggest that there's not a problem because YOU happen to be a peaceful guy. That's like saying back in the early '60's that, gosh, I'M not a racist, so why is it necessary to pass civil rights laws? Or, gosh, I'M a safe driver, so why require registration of cars, licensing of drivers and enforcement of traffic laws? The fact is, not everything is about you, Dunedan.

Then why not ban cars? They cause far more deaths than guns. Your logic is flawed.

Oh absolutely... Canada, Australia, New Zealand, England, Ireland, Scotland, Japan, and Europe... horrid little places.

Also places that are much better policed or far less violent to begin with.

Hell, Dunedan, America already has the largest per capita prison population in the world, us being so "Tough on Crime" and all. America, the new Gulag Archipelago. How much worse do you imagine I can make it?

What does prison population have to do with anything?

Besides, I'm not interested in taking your arsenal... I'm sure you really, really need it. I just want people to start seeing gun ownership as a privelege they have to earn, not some gawd given right and to get past Americas love affair with guns, gun violence and the idea that guns solve problems.

First, if you want to obtain a gun legally, you need to provide at the very least an american ID, and many times it goes farther with a background check and a criminal record check. So at this point it already is a privilege. Also, since when do all of the american people love gun violence and think that guns solve problems? Any responsible gun owner will tell you that a gun is a very last resort, and that calling the police or talking things out are much better way of solving problems than brandishing a weapon.

Have I said anything anywhere that even remotely suggested disarming you? After all, you sound like such a peaceful, pleasant, rational person.

Thats a smart decision, since there are MANY people that would do far more than punch you if you tried to disarm them. Those are the people you have to worry about.

Yessiree, to hell with the rule of law, let's just see who's quickest on the draw. Dunedan, you've used 4 paragraphs to describe how willing you are to shoot someone -- not for threatening you or your family -- but for thinking to confiscate your guns, even lawfully. This is why the U.S. is the violent, murderous nation that it is, America's culture of gun lust and our mythological belief that guns solve problems, when the obvious reality is that they only create problems.

Guns have never created problems. They have only made it easier for people who can get their hands on them to create problems. I also find it amusing how you exclude only yourself from our 'murderous population'. The beliefs that this nation was founded on are important, despite your claims of them somehow being 'out of date'. Then again in your police state fantasy world I suppose not being under the thumb of the government is an obsolete ideal.

There it is. The idealistic courage of a Martin Luther King, Jr. vs.the violent bluster of a George W. Bush. You tell me which is the American way?

They both are, since they both came from America. They just decided to pursue their goals through different methods. To suggest that violence is un-american is simply ignorance on your part.

BINGO!! I couldn't possibly have said it better. Defending a "Right" that makes life more dangerous for everyone, simply because you 'like the idea' of having that right, just smacks me as immoral... there's really no other word for it.

Since when does morality have anything to do with law? People have different morals, therefore laws with morals built into them are always controversial and usually fail. Also, since your busy doing away with our rights as a nation, why not take away the first amendment too, since free speech threatens the status quo so much. Hell, take away the whole damn bill of rights, since its soooo out of date. And they are all definatly dangerous to the police state that you envision. If you don't like the laws in this country there are plenty of other places where you can get robbed and not be able to defend yourself, so why not stop complaining and do something?

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what Rodney Peairs thought, just before he shot an unarmed teenage Japanese exchange student dead for daring to walk up to Peair's house to ask directions to a nearby Halloween party. .

So the actions of one irrational person should decide the fate of all normal people who wish to own a firearm? That makes sense. Using that logic, you should not allow anyone to use the internet, because one guy decided to download child porn, and no one should be able to own camcorders because one guy decided to pirate a movie. What a great system.