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Quote by: Dunedan My argument is this: I am not hurting anyone.

Well given that we're the most violent, murderous nation in the civilized 1st world, Dunedan, obviously SOMEONE is, certainly more Americans per capita than in other countries, and it's really absurd to suggest that there's not a problem because YOU happen to be a peaceful guy. That's like saying back in the early '60's that, gosh, I'M not a racist, so why is it necessary to pass civil rights laws? Or, gosh, I'M a safe driver, so why require registration of cars, licensing of drivers and enforcement of traffic laws?

The fact is, not everything is about you, Dunedan.

Quote by: Dunedan and any country along the lines Sonart Et Al propose is hardly a place I'd want to breathe the air of anyway.

Oh absolutely... Canada, Australia, New Zealand, England, Ireland, Scotland, Japan, and Europe... horrid little places.

Quote by: Dunedan Sonart, unless you are personally comfortable with killing or imprisoning a minimum of 850,000 people, piss off.

Hell, Dunedan, America already has the largest per capita prison population in the world, us being so "Tough on Crime" and all. America, the new Gulag Archipelago. How much worse do you imagine I can make it?

Besides, I'm not interested in taking your arsenal... I'm sure you really, really need it. I just want people to start seeing gun ownership as a privelege they have to earn, not some gawd given right and to get past Americas love affair with guns, gun violence and the idea that guns solve problems.

Quote by: Dunedan I'm perfectly comfortable with the idea of center-punching anyone who comes through my door with the intent of disarming me.

Have I said anything anywhere that even remotely suggested disarming you? After all, you sound like such a peaceful, pleasant, rational person.

Quote by: Dunedan My gun is on the table, so to speak. You hide yours behind "laws" and fancy language,

Yessiree, to hell with the rule of law, let's just see who's quickest on the draw. Dunedan, you've used 4 paragraphs to describe how willing you are to shoot someone -- not for threatening you or your family -- but for thinking to confiscate your guns, even lawfully. This is why the U.S. is the violent, murderous nation that it is, America's culture of gun lust and our mythological belief that guns solve problems, when the obvious reality is that they only create problems.

Quote by: Isbskins For love of country, I might walk into your space unarmed and attempt to remove the gun from your hands using nothing but the physical force I could muster so that you would be forced to shoot an unarmed individual to show the world the full faced ugliness of your own b.s. mental gymnastics. Who's the coward now?

There it is. The idealistic courage of a Martin Luther King, Jr. vs.the violent bluster of a George W. Bush. You tell me which is the American way?

Quote by: Isbskins No right that, by it's assertion, renders society manifestly more trecherous for a majority of the members of that society, is inviolate.

BINGO!! I couldn't possibly have said it better. Defending a "Right" that makes life more dangerous for everyone, simply because you 'like the idea' of having that right, just smacks me as immoral... there's really no other word for it.

Quote by: Dunedan I own a great many guns, none of which have ever to my knowledge been fired in anger. I'd never shoot you if you didn't have a weapon.

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what Rodney Peairs thought, just before he shot an unarmed teenage Japanese exchange student dead for daring to walk up to Peair's house to ask directions to a nearby Halloween party.

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