[freefallife]

Quote by: Winter wind My argument is that no matter how much evil there is in the world, once you get used to that amount, it will always seem to be too much.

Your argument fails in the face of an omnipotent god. This all-powerful god could have created us with a certain desireable set level of suffering. We would never complain of too much suffering because he would have had us designed to accept what little there was. Furthermore, this system would save countless lives. That would be the act of a loving god. To see to it that only those that NEEDED to suffer would, and no more. The simple fact that we feel there is too much in the world is evidence that it is not this way, and therefore very inefficient. What horrifies me about the god that you worship is that he is wastefull with the well-being of his creations.

As for vaccines...no matter how much evil you find in this world, there seems to always be a method of making that evil lesser. Most of the time to the point of vanishing it. Yes, deadly illness are not great, but they are part of the world we live in.

They are a part of the world we live in for no apparent reason when we factor in a loving god. He creates viruses so that we can learn to cure them? Why? Does god need better doctors in heaven? This is not a valid justification. We wouldn't need to learn to cure them if he didn't create them in the first place.

In the words of Woody Allen, "If god wants to test us, why doesn't he just give us the written?"

Imagine a god that was REALLY a part of your life. That actually taught us lessons in person. Say he held a class every week or so in the middle of the night while you were in a dream state. Every human on earth would experience this, making the existance of god more than evident. We would all have a personal relationship with god, which is what the bible states he wants. We would all still have the free will to follow his teachings. No. Instead, this omnipotent god is invisible and tortures us.

How would you create symbiosis and not create parasites that kill it's host?

Easy. You don't. Create symbiosis and the DON'T create harmfull parasites. Pretty small accomplishment for an omnipotent god. What makes you think that you can't have symbiosis and not disease causing viruses?

Evolution without genetic defects?

God created evolution? Completely rediculous. That is unless you believe that Adam and Eve were apes. Even so, how about NOT creating HARMFUL genetic defects. There would still be evolution, but no suffering. Hey, if I can think of it....

The reason we have these is the way our universe was created. It's the logic that makes it. So how would you eliminate the above without destroying the logic of the universe? God created the logic, but arguing about how he could have changed the logic is...more then slightly difficult.

As I said. He's omnipotent. He could have created ANY system of life he chose. The problem is that he also loves us unconditionaly. So why would an omnibenevolent god CHOOSE to create a world the very foundations of which rest on the shoulders of death and are bathed in the blood of innocents?

(at least we don't have the T-Virus, from Resident Evil, in anything beyond our imaginations)

Hey, don't give God any ideas....

Terrorism? That wasn't there already? Americans have only payed attention since 9-11-2001, but terrorism was around before that. It's been there since assassins killed crusaders. Aw come on! Discrimination may not be dead, but woe betide the man who so much utters a racist comment in the wrong area. No more slavery and no more legal racism (debatable on a certain level, but mostly true.). This is a process that is getting better. Not just in America, globally as well. bring it.

Responding to this is not for this thread. There's evil...theres too much. We've already established that.

Q1: God created earthquakes so that continents could move.

And an omnipotent god couldn't have created continental plates that move with less friction?

Q2: It would have taken longer as we would have been more complacent.

If it means relieving the pain and suffering in the world, who cares how long it would take?

Q3: Not as hard. Curing cancer could mean curing aging as well (controlling cell aging). This is how great breakthroughs happen, when there is a great incentive (free market and everything).

Again. Who cares? It would mean the reduction of pain. And why did he even create it in the first place? He needs oncologists in heaven?

The answer is basically the same as to why evil needs to exist to some extent. So that we can overcome it. The growth. So we aren't preprogrammed completely so that we can grow. program it ourselves.

This argument is invalidated with the existance of any evil which we cannot overcome. I don't think I have to provide a list, but if you can't think of any, let me know.

The real question you should be asking is why we should be killing each other when we already have all these lethal puzzles God throws at us?

Sure. Wait, why is a loving god throwing LETHAL PUZZLES at us again? Its almost like me tossing crowd control grenades into my daughters bedroom. Gee, hope she figures out how to overcome these! Now that wouldn't be very loving would it?