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Quote by: gela  It is pointless debating with you. This isn't even a debate - its you ignoring the points that don't suit you, and repeating what you want to believe is true.
You constantly ask for evidence and proof. When it is given to you, you say its a
When 'sound science' is given to you, eg.
You blatantly ignor them. Then continue to ask for science.
Then, without a scrap of evidence, you go on about conspiracy theories.
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Completely ignoring the point I made earlier - that smoking research has been done throughout the entire world, not just your little American world.
I hate to disapoint you, but the oil companies do not have control of the Australian Government. Yet Australian studies still come out with research proving the harm of smoking. Wait, what was that? Countries besides America research diseases? Its shocking I know, but true.
The same can probably be said about hundreds of other countries around the world.
Japan doesn't even have an anti smoking campaign - I see anime characters smoking all the time, being portrayed as 'cool' - yet they still accept that smoking is terrible for your health.
Let me make this very clear for you. There are two completely seperate causes for emphysema.
One is caused geneticaly - it probably appears several times throughout a family tree. It is caused by the absense of a protien that protects your lungs in your genetic make up. It makes up 10% of cases.
90% of cases are caused by the destruction of the protective layer of your lungs through inhaling harmful chemicals.
All of the people who suffer from this strand of emphysema smoke.
They are seperate diseases with identical results. There is no room for theorising. |
I did not ignore any of the studies using junk science I only said they do not represent what can be called an absolute fact or undisputable proof.
I am aware that other countries conduct studies to try to find out what causes different illnesses. The biggest concern in Australian research now is that the ozone hole over that area that results in skin cancer. Some of those other countries also develope treatments and cures that are ignored by our medical establishment here in the USA. No matter where the study is conducted there is a difference between junk science and sound science and so far you refuse to see that difference.
Japan imports a lot of cigarettes from USA companies.
I fully agree that certain chemicals can cause health problems, perhaps even cancer (confirmed by tests on rats and other animals). And I agree that they can find tiny trace amounts of those chemicals in cigarette tobacco. As well as other plant foods we might cook and eat.
What I am saying here is that you must be exposed to a large enough dose (amount of the chemical) for it to have an impact on your health.
Example: I could introduce a teenie weenie trace amount of rattlesnake poison to your blood and you would never feel or have any bad side effects, and although that poison in a larger dose can kill you, a teenie weenie amount would do nothing to put your health status at risk. Same with all those chemicals you claim are found in cigarettes or cigarette smoke. My point is that the trace amount is too small to represent a health risk and they know it, but still use that finding to scare people.
Now science knows that if you add a trace amount of rattlesnake poison to your blood stream on a repeated bases that your immune system can build of better resistance to a actural snake bite in full dosage. Some people do that if they are in the snake business. If I used that fact as a backdrop I could speculate that a trace amont of carbon monoxide in cigarette smoke could help be build up resistance to the tons of carbon monozide released everyday via car fumes. But nooooooooooo, they do not want to conduct as study like that, and I feel politics is behind it.
And it is clear that those who use those chemical componants found in cigarettes to scare you with are not making it well known that those chemicals are in such small amounts that they do not represent a big risk.
I do feel that women who are with child should not smoke, and that might shock you. They should avoid smoking, drinking booze, most drugs and in particular unlawful drugs that are addictive. And even some unhealthy foods. That has been a long standing policy of shamans who use such things for religious purposes. For which reason women do not take part in such native rituals, and later in histroy excluded from teaching roles in many religions world wide. So I will give you that one reason as a good reason for women not to smoke for "health reasons".
Due to the very long term study made by primitive shamen.
I was born with emphysema and have it as confirmed by a doctor. My father's brother died from it when he was in his 70s, my father was told that he had it but he died of natual causes. The Doc told me I was in the early stages of the disease (that was in the 1970s). They have not found a cure for the generic version. I have not yet researched data about the one you claim is caused by smoking. But am also a smoker and began smoking in the late 1950s.
So I stand a double-wammy chance of that being my doomsday. According to the warnings I should be plugged into a breathing machine by now. But such is not that case (born in 1939). In fact as I go about my business I have no awareness of any such health problem or breathing problems that others suffer with that illness. That is due to my life style. Being happy and positive. Stress reduction meditations, and other things. They should study my life style to learn about how to prevent the illness from developing.
One preventive measure is to ignore it and to cast such thoughts out of your mind, because if you think you are doomed then you will draw that to your self, which is how voodooism works. So you need an anti-voodooism attitude. When I was a little lad I had "hey fever" which is an old term for a breathing problem. I had to use an inhaler, those illnesses are also genetic and most people outgrow them. I overcame it by comprehending that fear causes the air passage to shrink and so you get "uptight". So stuff cannot flow freely in and out. Casuing weezing and difficulty catching your breath. When I adopted a more dominating attitude and became fearless my breathing problems vanished.
Fear is a stress related condition.
It does not take a rocket scientist to become aware of your own mind/body experiences and to make choices to develope a better life style that does not trigger as many illnesses.
"It is not what you consume that defiles a man, but what you express from within yourself". A simple attitude adjustment can cure many potential health problems. Science studies have confirmed that being happy ( joking around ) is one preventive step. So I am not off base in these concepts even if some drug collage did not authorize me as being an expert. The collage ones are only told to medicate, operate, or redeate. I believe many other choices are useful.
And so I will stand my ground. Thanks for your continued support of this topic with your comments.
Please overlook typing errors as I am in a hurry and gotta go do something else.