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Quote by: Zeebadee Great news! In a few more years we'll have Iraq back to it's original state, complete with a dictator of their own choosing. Not bad for a few hundred thousand deaths and a couple of trillion dollars.

Exactly!

The common Leftist counter-argument is to state we should have never been there, because they can't provide proof that surge is not working. They rather ignore it and stick to their story.

You miss the point. Whether the surge is working or not is irrelevant because it is a struggle for nothing. To return to the original state of affairs more or less, with an American backed dictator (albeit shrouded in a cloak of "democracy"). Hell yes they should have never invaded! Whether the surged is working or not is ignored by "leftists" because the aims of the invasion are not virtuous in the first place! Why should we think a successful invasion is a good thing if we believe it was wrong to invade in the first place?

The point is not whether the invasion will be successful or not. It's the fact that it was the wrong decision to invade in the first place, and you don't need to be a "leftist" to think that. Infact, it is the opposite ideology of the left that should be supporting isolationist, laissez faire policies, while the leftists should be the ones trumpeting this kind of "nation building". That was always a leftist kind of thing, while conservatives traditionally shunned such interventions. It is the neocons who like this sort of thing, because they are more akin to leftists then traditional right wingers.