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Quote by: Zeebadee I've never made any such claim.

I'll leave it to others to judge your argument.

But it's YOU that is making the claim that creationism requires a "supernatural creator". Why would such a requirement be necessary?

Do you not understand what creationism is? Science (i.e., methodological naturalism) examines natural causes. Creationism postulates supernatural causes.

I never said there is no creator in creationism,

Did you not actually read what you posted?

I've only put forth the idea that the universe could have been created without the use of "supernatural intervention by some magical being".

You did no such thing. What are you smoking and where can I get some?

Since you are making that assertion, isn't it up to you to tell us why such would be necessary?

Yes, I am. But I am not claiming that it is necessary that there not be a supernatural being. I am claiming that there is no evidence for one. So why should one be postulated?

Not at all, only that a creator wouldn't require anything more than natural causes.

Then there isn't any evidence that such a creator exists. Do you not understand what you are saying?

Now you're catching on.

So there is creationism without a creator? Have you actually thought about any of this?

Well, yeah, it's part of the idea.

You're kidding, right? Scientific theories (big bang, abiogenesis, and evolution) that are opposed by creationists are part of the idea of creationism? Make up your mind.

Not at all. Creationism is merely the idea that the universe as we know it could be the product of deliberate design.

You're a pill. You don't seem to be able to decide what you are arguing. Is it creationism or ID. It doesn't matter. If you want to pretend that you are talking about science, then present the evidence, the hypotheses, the predictions, and the tests based on either. Creationism has been around since we laughed at it in my freshman biology class. ID has been around for more than 15 years and has yet to present a single example of scientific research in support.

You need to make up you mind what you are arguing. Are you a creationist or an IDer. Make up your mind and stop changing horses in mid-stream. I only makes you look silly when you do that.