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Old Feb 2, 2008, 07:40 am   #30 (permalink) (top)
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Your argument suggests that evil and good are in a perfect state of ballanced opposition, like the positive and negative forces within the atom. But what of the neutron?? If everything in the universe requires a state of opposition, where is the neutrons?
It's in the very middle of the spectrum. Why do you have a hard time grasping this most simple of concepts? In mathematics, we have a line with a point of origin designated as zero (0), with positive integers to the right of zero and negative integers to the left. A neutron would be represented by zero, as in zero charge.

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So required opposition is simply not the case. Furthermore there are a multitude of evils in the world that your argument fails to address. Those that have no physical or morally good opposition. The death of innocent newborn children, for just one example. Also, as I stated before, a speck of yellow is all that is needed for an appreciation of blue. The balanced forces within the atom or anything else for that matter does not mean that it is necessary for every system of life. Besides, there is far more pain in the world than pleasure. Thus your argument fails.
No one's REQUIRING the existence of life. It just IS. Everything does not have to have an exact opposite for exact opposites to exist. Hot has an exact opposite: Cold. Warm has an exact opposite: Cool.

Banana does not have an exact opposite.

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Imagine if your argument were valid. Any increase in the worlds overall good, would create more evil. There would be no reason for any of us to attempt to make the world better. The example works in the opposite as well. There would be no reason whatsoever to try to rid the world of evil because, according to your argument, it would require the reduction of good in the world, thus making the world worse.
Once again, you don't have a basic understanding of the Theory of Relativity. An increase in good would result in a decrease in evil and vice-versa: i.e., the amount of good and evil in the universe remains constant.

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If a perfect god created everything, then a perfect god created evil.
An example is in order.

You build a perfect wooden fence. Twenty years later, the fence has rotted to the ground. Did you build rot?

Another example. You make (create) a perfect ice cube. It melts. What happened?

I saved the best example for last. You create the perfect sculpture of the love of your life...a giant doobie. I come along and smash it to bits (or smoke it, if you like that analogy better).

One rolls (creates) and another smokes (destroys).

Uhh, I forgot what I was saying...

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Why would a perfect, all knowing god bother to put a forbidden fruit that would condemn all of humanity within the reach of his fallible creations.
Why would a perfect, loving, all-knowing wife make friends with the hottest, sleaziest girl on the block and then forbid you to have sex with her? Some things just defy explanation (though she would probably say that she was testing your fidelity).

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I simply dismantled the argument that opposition is required for existance. That an equal opposition of good and evil is not required to apprecieate either and I used her own analogy to illustrate it.
You should see by now that you have dismantled nothing. Repeatedly you have been shown the illogic of your argument, haven't you?

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Its really quite simple:

1. God created everything that exists in the universe (premise)
2. Evil exists in the universe (premise)
3. God created evil (conclusion)
No, it goes like this:

1. God created fire to keep you warm (good)
2. You stand too close and burn yourself even though God warned you to stay back (bad)
3. God made you (good) but you disobeyed (bad).

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Evil, as I stated in the OP, is not just simply sin, but overall human suffering, which can be divided into two general categories. Physical and moral. So, your argument that it simply all comes down to free will is flawed. Jesus may have redeemed you of sin, but why did he not rescue us from shark attacks, leathaly poisonous reptiles and insects, and a world that survives day by day on the destruction of life?
You don't understand evil. Hurricanes, floods, and shark attacks aren't evil...they're just everyday events 'at the office'. Your bad mouthing the boss, that's evil. Your wasting time on the job, that's evil. Your raping the boss' daughter is evil. The boss' daughter having sex with me is good.

Well, anyway, you should get the point. Disasters are not evil. Death is not evil. These things are part of the cycle of life. Most things are relative. Floods kill at the same time that they create life. Fires and volcanoes destroy and they build, all in the same 'breath'. Your death may bring sadness to some and joy to others. Such is life and it's infinite variety. To you, God is a bad thing. To me, He's the best. Different strokes for different folks. I'm looking forward to death. After all, it's the end of pain, isn't it?

The bottom line is that most of the evil that you attribute to God is actually your fault (or some other human being's).

The question you should ask yourself, if there is indeed a Creator God, is why He would allow evil to exist if He could eliminate it? Does He have a purpose in allowing evil? What could He be doing? In doing so, keep in mind the brief and fragile existence that we have been given on earth and the possibility that this life could be quite insignificant compared to a possible life beyond the grave.


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