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Quote by: Objectivist There are several different variants of communism. What they all share in common is the goal of a classless and stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.
The goal is to create a society that owns everything, can give people anything they need, and to stop one group of people control another group of people.
What they share is the theory of collectivism. |
I agree .
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Quote by: Objectivist Collectivism is a theory that advocates collective thought, collective action, etc. It holds the collective (whether it is society, the community, the nation, the proletariat, the race, etc.) as the standard unit of value. |
Wrong. Collectivism is the collectivisation of the means of production and industries. It has nothing to do with uniformisation of the brain or whatever.
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Quote by: Objectivist The problem with this type of standard of value is that it ignores one vital fact. The fact that individuals comprise the collective and that the collective will not survive without the individuals that comprise it (but individuals themselves can survive without the collective). |
So?
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Quote by: Objectivist Collectivism means the subjugation of the individuals to the group. It sacrifices the actions, the products, the brains of every individual it is comprised of to the collective. |
We are the collective. Where is the sacrifice?
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Quote by: Objectivist Men have no inherit rights. Men only have the rights the collective gives them. Men have no right to live for themselves (they must live for the state). Men have no right to pure liberty (they only have the amount of liberty the state gives them). Men have no right to the pursuit of their own happiness (they only have the right to support and maintain the state). |
Oh man

I said communism, not stalinism. You just have the right the state gives you, no matter is it's a capitalist or a communist system. You work and you eat, then the State lives, it's the same everywhere. There is no sacrifice of the soul to the state, no matter what Reagan said.
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Quote by: Objectivist Communism overlooks the fact that individuals are the source of everything good in this world. |

Hey, you wouldn't lose your name for a number, don't worry. Maoism prohibited art and stuff, not communism. You work, you've got money. You don't, well you die. So I consider that you are working for you. When you work in a car factory, do you build your own car? No, you buy it. Same for communism.
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Quote by: Objectivist There is no such thing as a collective brain or a collective body. Another person cannot think for you. |
There is no democracy?