[Athena]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer With weary permission, I'm recreating this thread maturely. I know, wish me luck. In previous threads I've explained why I don't believe in God. Now, I'm going to explain why God, the fictional character, is a jerk. Feel free to defend him.. 'cause I guarantee he won't be able to defend himself. Please note.. Yes, he's not real.. and I wouldn't be so angry if it weren't for all the fundamentals killing people for this imaginary jerk. Crimes against others.. God will forgive. (murder, rape, genocide, torture) Crimes against God.. God will not forgive. (atheism) Isn't this cowardly of God? He's basically saying.. "you just raped that already emotionally-troubled innocent girl? It's ok, just believe in my son and I forgive you." Forgive you? For something you did to someone else? But as soon as you pull it around and he's the victim.. that's a huge no-no that deserves only the most terrible of infinite eternal torturing punishment. Now Hell.. that's another big problem. I've once stated that the only being deserving of Hell is God. I stick by that statement. The only being that deserves Hell is a being that would create it in the first place. There's NOTHING you can do with your finite time on earth that deserves a torturing punishment that doesn't ever ever end. I'm not saying evil people shouldn't be punished, but I am saying infinity is a long time for a finite sin. Next, Why is God so cowardly that he can't take the heat for sin. For eff's sake.. Adam and Eve? He claims to be omniscient, yet he has people believing he didn't actually plan for Adam and Eve to eat the naughty fruit. He designed the whole set up.. right down to a freaking fruit that would damn us all to suffering in the first place. To say he didn't specifically design and plan for there to be sin is to insult his omniscience.. yet HE HIMSELF won't take the blame. God framed Adam and Eve. Lastly, God has people hating gays when he himself created the biological dispositions that cause most gays to be biologically gay. This is ridiculous, and in my opinion, worthy of contempt. Not to mention all the other hateful, sick, pseudo-moral nonsense in the OT. Can you defend God? Edit: Please note.. I'm not attacking religious people.. I'm attacking only God.

Would you please identify this God you are talking about? There is more than one concept of God. Spinoza's concept of God is nothing like the God of which you speak. The Hindu understanding of God, is not the God of which you speak. Democracy, is built on a God of reason, and this "God" can not forgive anything, because it is not a supernatural being, that can be influenced by our prays or sacrafices. The new cosmology uses quantum physics to explain a God and immortality that is compatible with eastern philosophy, that is not the God you are attacking. You are normally very precise, but your failure to name the God of which you speak, contributes to the notion that this concept of God is the only possible one, and therefore, there are only people who believe there is a God and those who do not believe there is God. This is a distortion of what is so, and prevents us from understanding democracy.

Ever important to the God of democracy, is we don't get away with doing bad things. If we do good, good results. If we do bad, bad results. That is the difference between good and bad. Our liberty demands education for good moral judgement, and this is a secular understanding of moral, not a religious one. It is extremely important you stop the denial of other understandings of God, and other ways of coming to moral decisions than reading holy books. Especially as we are coming to an election where religion will be a very important issue. WE ARE NOT GODLESS AND IMMORAL PEOPLE, IF WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE GOD OF ABRAHAM AS THE TRUE GOD. NAME THE GOD OF WHICH YOU SPEAK..