The politically correct version, don't you love it?
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Quote by: lc Firstly, feeling sorry for doing something doesn't guarantee you'll stop doing it. So your statement is just plain false. |
Ya, I know it doesn't, but it means you are attempting to become better. All you need is that help and that's where God comes in...
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Quote by: lc Secondly, that's like saying someone should be forgiven of rape because they started going to feminist meetings. Nay, it's like saying someone should be forgiven of rape because they felt sorry for doing it. Aw, poor you.. you feel sorry for raping a girl or murdering a child so I'm going to forgive you?? |
Well it depends: if the person is genuinely sorry, has changed themselves, then it wouldn't be easy, but ideally why not forgive them.
but if the person just says sorry like a four year old, but isn't really, God can tell.
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Quote by: lc That makes no sense. I mentally can't ask something I don't believe in to forgive me for not believing in it. |
It was just an intellectual quip. Obviously you can't ask forgiveness from something you don't believe, but that is why, logically, it is a capital crime. because if all you have to do to get forgiveness is to ask for it, the group of people who can't ask for forgiveness get the fuzzy end of the lollipop.
Again, not what I believe, but the logical argument.
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Quote by: lc You're one who follows christ. I don't have a problem with that. I give you a hard time about it 'cause you twist and edit Christianity so much I just wish you'd let go of it completely and use your obviously independent pure moral compass without veiling it with a religion.. that's all.. |
Naw, Christianity is all that bad. All you see when you research is the worst of it. Also, I have the quotes where the Bible tells you not to take the old testament too seriously.
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
If you want the full argument go here
Picking and choosing the Bible
Hebrew 8:13
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Quote by: lc He's being a pussy. He's forgiving you for killing, raping, and torturing others while the only thing he won't forgive you for is denying him.. which doesn't even necessarily entail hurting others in the process. |
In my opinion, that isn't pussy, thats just being an ass, but back to the actual debate...
It's bizarre, i know. But I think it comes down to the argument above...
forgiveness to those who ask and mean it. But those who don't believe won't ask and mean it.
Again, i don't believe it, but its the argument.
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Quote by: lc I'm not criticizing the allowance of sin. I'm criticizing God for not taking the heat for it. He has to blame it on his measly two creations like a little wuss. |
my view of the Bible is that it was meant to be as smart as the person reading it. For instance, he blames his creations simply because they need to know they can't pass of their new knowledge. That now that they have the knowledge, they are responsible. Taking the heat or not taking the heat matters little to Adam and Eve. To them, all that matters is now that they have the knowledge, they are responsible.
It's the practical vs ethical thing....
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Quote by: lc That's very vague. What's not vague is when the Bible says it's the perfect word of God. |
But my way is much more logical. (and my new quotes are much clearer)
Your way: Bible is indisputable, but has all contradictions
Ergo: Bible is stupid
My way: Bible says to interpret it and not take it seriously, therefore contradictions, including the one saying "im absolute law" are accounted for
Ergo: The Bible needs to be read as metaphoric. Then it makes more sense.