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Old Dec 29, 2007, 06:07 am   #54 (permalink) (top)
Nono
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... the Rabin heartbreak ...
You mean the foam-at-mouth/settlers-fascist-lobby crime, I believe.
Let's call a spade a spade here.

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The Israeli military made the same mistake ours did, thinking they could walk in with their overwhelming shock and awe and root out the bad guys without too may civilians casualties.
They thought nothing of the sort. They knew very well that they were using cluster munitions that were not only inherently unreliable but also largely well past their use-by date. In other words, they knew they'd be killing plenty of innocents. But hey, they're only Arabs, not real people like them and their families.

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The Isrealis found out the hard way, as we did, that they really couldn't and cut the operation short to prevent further bloodshed... knowing they were giving Hezbollah a political victory.
Gosh, they shoulda asked me, poor fools. I would have told them.

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What would you do, Nono????
Well in the short term I'd send my infantry / special forces boys across to deal with the missile sites as they found them. In other words, I'd let them do the dying (their profession after all) rather than innocent Lebanese civilians. This unlike the cowardly Israeli response of 2006.

Otherwise I'd pull the political rug out from under Hezbollah by declaring my willingness to clear the West Bank of settlements and do an honest deal on everything from water resources to the status of East Jerusalem, i.e. land for peace, i.e. the Geneva Initiative .

But the people who run Israel don't want to pull the political rug out from under Hezbollah or other nutty entities. Like Reagan and Brezhnev, both sides have a sick symbiotic relationship. It goes like this: You commit your outrages against my people and I'll commit mine against yours. That way we can both enjoy a long reign in power.

Lastly, your comparison of Palestinians with German and Japanese civilians is pure, specious sophistry. There's a whole different way out of this mess (see above) that you must be engaging in wild mental contortions to ignore.


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