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U.S. v. Miller is already the law of the land, Zeeb, backed up by 8 of the U.S. Circuit Courts of Appeal. The bigger danger is that Miller will be overturned by the Bush Court this coming March

Talk about old saws there Sonart. I recall in another thread I showed you more recent court cases that upheld the right of the individual to own firearms. The most recent being in Parker vs DC. This citing Miller gets older than the saws.

But yes we will see the decision by June which will once and for all, put this issue to bed. pssst, I think you are going to lose.

Says who? They go on shooting sprees specificall BECAUSE they've been raised in a culture that glorifies guns and gun violence. Otherwise, why aren't countries with tough gun laws plagued with rampaging nutjob suicide bombers?

Some are in the M.E. As far as Gun Control being the answer to lower crime, that's fallacy as well.

NRA-ILA :: Fact Sheets

Gun Laws, Culture, Justice & Crime In Foreign Countries Do other countries all have more restrictive gun laws and lower violent crime rates than the U.S.? How do U.S. and other countries` crime trends compare? What societal factors affect crime rates? A recent report for Congress notes, "All countries have some form of firearms regulation, ranging from the very strictly regulated countries like Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore and Sweden to the less stringently controlled uses in the jurisdictions of Mexico and Switzerland, where the right to bear arms continues as a part of the national heritage up to the present time." However, "From available statistics, among (the 27) countries surveyed, it is difficult to find a correlation between the existence of strict firearms regulations and a lower incidence of gun-related crimes. . . . (I)n Canada a dramatic increase in the percentage of handguns used in all homicides was reported during a period in which handguns were most strictly regulated. And in strictly regulated Germany, gun-related crime is much higher than in countries such as Switzerland and Israel, that have simpler and/or less restrictive legislation." (Library of Congress, "Firearms Regulations in Various Foreign Countries, May 1998.") Many foreign countries have less restrictive firearms laws, and lower crime rates, than parts of the U.S. that have more restrictions. And many have low crime rates, despite having very different firearms laws. Switzerland and Japan "stand out as intriguing models. . . . (T)hey have crime rates that are among the lowest in the industrialized world, and yet they have diametrically opposite gun policies." (Nicholas D. Kristof, "One Nation Bars, The Other Requires," New York Times, 3/10/96.) Swiss citizens are issued fully-automatic rifles to keep at home for national defense purposes, yet "abuse of military weapons is rare." The Swiss own two million firearms, including handguns and semi-automatic rifles, they shoot about 60 million rounds of ammunition per year, and "the rate of violent gun abuse is low." (Stephen P. Halbrook, Target Switzerland; Library of Congress, pp. 183-184.) In Japan, rifles and handguns are prohibited; shotguns are very strictly regulated. Japan`s Olympic shooters have had to practice out of the country because of their country`s gun laws. Yet, crime has been rising for about the last 15 years and the number of shooting crimes more than doubled between 1997-1998. Organized crime is on the rise and 12 people were killed and 5,500 injured in a nerve gas attack in a Japanese subway system in 1995. (Kristof, "Family and Peer Pressure Help Keep Crime Levels down in Japan," New York Times, 5/14/95.) Mostly without firearms, Japan`s suicide rate is at a record high, about 90 per day. (Stephanie Strom, "In Japan, Mired in Recession, Suicides Soar," New York Times, p. 1, 7/15/99.) U.S. crime trends have been better than those in countries with restrictive firearms laws. Since 1991, with what HCI calls "weak gun laws" (Sarah Brady, "Our Country`s Claim to Shame," 5/5/97), the number of privately owned firearms has risen by perhaps 50 million. Americans bought 37 million new firearms in the 1993-1999 time frame alone. (BATF, Crime Gun Trace Reports, 1999, National Report, 11/00.) Meanwhile, America`s violent crime rate has decreased every year and is now at a 23- year low (FBI). In addition to Japan, other restrictive countries have experienced increases in crime

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Sonart wrote:

a culture that glorifies guns and gun violence.

And I lay this repsonsibility right at the doorstep of Follywood. Most Hollywood actors and producers share your views on gun control yet they do exactly what you claim above. They are hypocritical whackos who are greedy selfish bastards who promote crime and violence with guns by glorifying them in their productions simply for the money it earns them. If they portrayed gunshot wounds as they really appear, most people would probably vomit. The closest I ever saw to the consequences of being on the receiving end of a bullet was in Saving Private Ryan. If more Hollywood producers depicted gun violence responsibly, I would postulate that less people would probably fool with guns because they would realize the dangerous consequences of a gunshot.