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Old Dec 14, 2007, 11:51 am   #183 (permalink) (top)
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I have always placed the responsibility where it belongs, ie on the person. So I don't really understand your point here.
Since we're back to topic.... could you list me off the average age, gender, mental conditionings, positions in their social lives in school/college all have in common?

All were mostly loners, not very popular in school/college, all were in their late teens or early 20's for the most part, all seemed to have some "Mental Illness" (Who the hell doesn't these days it seems?) All went out in a blaze of glory to take out anybody they saw, because they didn't care, and all decided to take their own lives in the end.

... oh, and more people who are in similar situations in their lives will see these same patterns in these dead guy's lives and feel it's a method of power and expression of frustration and hatred which they feel has been with them their entire lives..... make them feel all the pain and suffering you have felt all your life all in a few seconds before you take your own life is a common trend in mentality.

Most will feel that everybody else besides them have much better lives all because they put their problems and issues onto them, by teasing, insulting, casting them out of society to make their own lives feel better.... so they return the favor to these people who look like they are having happy lives.

They have gone through years of parents and doctors telling them there's something wrong with them and nobody else, so they load them up with pills and anti-depressants thinking that will solve their problems and they can push them through school until they're on their own and then the parents don't have to deal with them as much.

And besides... it's cheaper to load them up with pills then it is to actually get them "Real Help" be that counselling or a therapist..... but before it even gets to this point.... the simplest solution is to actually listen to your kids.... actually put some effort into know what they are going trough... stop trivializing their problems and telling them to suck it up and that everybody else goes through these problems...... stop contributing to the constant teasing and out-casting of these kids and show them that there are other humans in the world who care.

And some of these kids did aknowlege those who did pay attention to them and made them feel human.

These kids these days are a level up from where I was in school in the 90's.... there's wars going on, kids have their parents or other family members going off to wars across the world to die or risk death. You have major poverty issues in families.... the public schools are in shams... everything is solved with Px pills these days... nobody bothers to listen to these kids early on before things start to develop into much worse hatred and isolation from the rest of society.

And before you know it.... they're failing in school, their so-called girlfriend cheats on them and dumps them, they get fired from their crap-ass part time job, their parents don't bother with them, nobody tried to help them look for a potiential future or career or even something to actually look forward to.

Quite generally and simply.... they're left alone and forgotten about.... therefore they will make people remember them. They get it all piled up on top of their shoulders all at once and there isn't one person around they feel would understand let alone care..... so they go and grab daddy's guns and ammo, steal the car and drive somewhere they know will make a lasting impression on the surrounding society and make other's suffer as they have.... and then they kill themselves to end their suffering.... as it's sure not gonna get any better after shooting a bunch of people.

The main solution to all these kinds of shootings is to prevent the mentality these people have from ever starting in the first place.... and the simplest solution to that is to actually listen and possibly relate and/or help them.

Heck it's not hard to point out the potiential shooters in any school.... but instead of further isolation ot pointing fingers at them, I imagine it'd be a lot easier to actually show them there's more to life then just being treated like crap all the time.

The Solution isn't about firearms or lack there of, it's not even about loading them up with pills and hoping for the best.... it's about being human to other humans long before a problem can even begin to exist.

I'm not saying this is the absolute solution, nor am I saying this is 100% the mentality they all go through, but based on the commonalities between these characters, plus my own personal experiences and thought patterns during those times in my life, not to mention relating to old friends who were also close to that stage, most of the above are very common trends which help fuel these types of end outcomes. I figure most of these people who can actually explain what's been going through their minds are all dead.... and usually the last thing that went through their minds, was a bullet. When I hear quotes from letters and explinations from their suicide notes, I can find it quite easy to relate to the frustrations they were going through, and during adolesence with spiked hormones and all that garbage where everything is made in your head to be one extreme or another, it doesn't make things easy to figure out..... esspecially when you have nobody to talk to except yourself

threatening these type of people with jail time and further outcasting isn't going to stop them from doing these types of mass shooting, as they're already bombarded by outcasting and being shunned everyday as it is. If anything, as illogical as it sounds, those types of solutions of increased jail time and more penalties to avoid from doing these things, will only in turn produce more defiance and desire to cause even more distruction before they even take their own life.... all for the simple fact that nobody got why they did it for to begin with.... and others will continue to do it until someone figures it out.
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