[Praxius]

Quote by: EnragedParrot That was my point. The fact that we're having an unusually warm Winter in Texas is no more evidence for global warming than a cold Winter in Canada is evidence against. What's happening in texas and Canada this Winter is simply noise over the trend. it has no relevance to long term global temperatures whatsoever.

Then why did you state.....

Therefore, global warming necessarily is occurring.

.....If the evidence and information you provided does not prove this?

No problem. 80 years:

uh huh....

150 years:

Lot's of uncertainty there, but I'll let this one slide.....

(Both of the above are from the HADCRUT3 dataset.)

That would explain the similarities between the two.

1000 years (actually 2000, since it was easier to find): (From the IPCC AR4, Chapter 6, "Paleoclimate," Figure 6.10)

Ah, now with this graph, if you remove the black line and gray curve and look at the overall graph which continues left to right, do you notice the peaks in the 1000AD - 1500AD range and how very similar they are to recent years?

Now granted I imagine there is a margin of error for the predictions of way back then, so let's say that in that area it could be more up or more down from what is shown.

But this graph kinda proves both points that I have been trying to make:

• What we are experiencing now has occured in the past.
• Human influence has sped up this transition and perhaps may have elevated it, but it is still nowhere to the level of a potiential catastrophe compared to what has already occured in the last thousand years or so.

In this graph you can clearly see that before the turn of 1000AD, the trend was still going upward, then gradually drops over the centuries until around 1780 where it begins to increase up the graph once again. Right around 880AD and 1000AD, you can see how it spiked in similarity to today.

Once again to repeat, we have an influence on the climate change that is about to occur, but we are not the be all end all responsible ones who made it happen, as this graph shows that the enviroment balances itself out over each melinia.

Not to mention it should be an obvious that the entire planet would be gradually warming up since the ice age..... I see no major evidence proving we're about to be our arcitects of our own destruction via pollution.

It doesn't hurt to be enviromentally friendly in the future and to change our ways, not just for the enviroment, but also our individual health, and I also feel and agree our pollution has intensified the weather effects of today..... but the worst case I see is that we'll only make what was already coming our way stronger when it comes.... which I feel I am correct in saying any changes we make now will still be far too late to make a difference.... we will be riding out this storm one way or another.