[Winter wind]

This is a continuation from the "Medford Newspaper Sues To Get Names Of Gun Owners" topic where I basically hijacked the topic.

My stance is basically

For diverting crime.
Populations of Great Briton, France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia. is about equal to the population of the United States.
In one year the US had 32000 gun deaths
They had 112 in total for that year.
The US has less strict gun control
The countries above have very strict gun control (like a civilian cant have one)
Banning guns does not mean that the criminal can get it through back channels.

responce

All of those nations differ greatly in social makeup, cultural makeup, history, as well as intent and promises made by government. It is like comparing an apple to an orange.

my responce

ya but the American people are more homicidal to the tune of 31888 more? There could have been 10 times more deaths in these countries and the United States would still be larger by 30000. It also gets rid of the argument that people will get the guns no matter what cause don't tell me Great Briton and Australia doesn't have crime.

My objective facts are
legally, in the second amendment, the words "regulated" and "militia" are used, and they didn't enumerate farther meaning the federal government is entitled to regulate it as far as the want.

Here is the actual amendment. Quote: Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. What part of "shall not be infringed" aren't your grasping?

my response

Well regulated and militia are in the first sentence! Which has to be used in the next sentence because I could translate arms to be WMD, which we both agree should be restricted.

Against the government
All the events above where the fed government encroached on citizen's rights were refuted, and I haven't heard retaliation.

The patriot act, i don't know if you've notice, is extremely unpopular, and has effectively killed Bush's presidency along with other maneuvers that have given the federal government too much power (with the war on terror as an excuse.) Quote: Federal Reserve Act The Federal Reserve Act created the Federal Reserve in 1913 to make a central banking system in the United States. Now, I'm crap at economics, but I think this was done to avoid the kind of thing that destroyed Mexico in the 1970s when a small group of foreign investors could hold the Mexican government in a headlock. Quote: War and Emergency Powers Act I'm not sure, but this was the act that declared a state of emergency in WWII. During war, the government has to centralize otherwise it's like trying to fight with a broken sword that has been duck-taped back together. Quote:

responce:

As far as your "opinions" on the Federal Reserve Act, The War and Emergency Powers Act, and the Patriot Act... I have seen no facts, only your obviously uneducated opinion on the topics. How do YOU think I should respond to such opinions? Should I for some reason respect these opinions, even though they are obviously opinions with little understanding? I think not.

I think that about sums up the importent parts. If I missed something, please add it.