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Old Nov 30, 2007, 04:37 pm   #27 (permalink) (top)
Praxius
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Law and religion have little if anything in common. Dont insult my nations laws by assoiciating it with religion.
Sorry but your own nation insults itself when your presidential hopefuls encourage questions relating to their views on religion in debates and questionares, when in fact your country was one of the first to establish a seperation of church and State.

And let's not forget Bush's Holy Crusade comment.

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All of the people of the nation are the militia, sir, except a few who hold the position of government offices.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The majority of your population which isn't currently in the military, have no clue of the training, proceedures and practices of a militia or any other military organization..... and brandishing a firearm doesn't make them militia material automatically.... if it does, they says something about your country's standards.

Not to mention if that was actually the case, an actually trained military would make short work of such a "militia."

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The military can't draft an unwilling populace, which is one reason we retain the right to bear arms.

The draft is not Constitutional.
So then don't posess firearms then. They are to substain a militia in a time when it is needed to defend the country from various aggressors..... so if you decide to own a firearm, and when the time comes to fight, you just sit back and say no, then you are in turn infringing apon what your constitution states they are for.

I never said a draft from the government, but rather from the actual militia by the people which would (Or at least should) be formed in a time of need. If the people of the country which formed the militia to take on the government or other come to you because they know you have firearms and request that you join up and you refuse then you go aginst the "Well Regulated Militia" which is a part of the 2nd amendment..... therefore you either fight, or you loose your firearm imo.

And you can't label every US citizen as being in a militia, because there has to be an identification, officers, organization, command structure, etc. in place.... if you expect every citizen to just form up with little organizational issues and no training, then you're gravely mistaken and the militia will fail.

At best, you'll create an insurgency within your own country and cause instability, but as you can see in current examples of today, if the occupying force doesn't want to leave, they won't..... until they "Win"

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I have some evil plan to make sure you guys have no firearms so that Socialist Canada invades with little effort.... I'm thinking ahead for you guys to reduce confusion when the time comes, therefore if and when something does occur.... it can be a quick mobilization, rather then people bickering back and forth about what should be done and what means what.

You may 100% be assured it means one thing, but others in the country feel it is meant as something else.... one would have thought something of this importance in a country's constitution would have been explained clearly and not be continually debated since it's creation.
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