[Chancellor]

Quote by: Suburbanite Secondly, affirmative action no longer exists, and their has be a subsequent decrease in Black college students.

Actually, it does still exist. But even if it didn't, why should blacks be allowed LOWER STANDARDS for college admissions, applications for jobs as police officers or firemen (or promotions within those fields)? Are you people (paternalistic leftists) so damned hateful of blacks (and other "minorities") that you insist they are incapable of competing on an equal footing with white males? Does being black (or other "minority") somehow make a person less capable of achieving the kinds of scores needed to get into college? That's what affirmative action is really saying - that "minorities" are inferior to white males and are incapable of competing on an equal footing; therefore they need special help. Frankly, I find your sick paternalistic notion to be vile and offensive!

I know a guy, right when Affirmative Action came out Harvard approached him and asked him to come to their school. He accepted, went to Harvard, went on to Harvard Law, then moved to California to pursue a career as an actor and never made anything of himself. Sure, maybe he deprived someone who would've made something out of the education from getting his chance.

Harvard did this guy a disservice by offering him entrance if he didn't have the same grades white applicants were required to have..

But this man did go on to have about six children: all of whom went or are currently attending college. It is more likely, of course, that the sons and daughters of a college educated person are more likely to attend.

Well, it's nice that they're attending college but merely attending college doesn't mean a damned thing if you don't use what you've learned.

Affirmative Action was about posterity, the future. It wasn't about ripping off a more deserving White person; it was about hopefully creating whats called an equitable (not equal) system.

Well, yes it was about ripping off white people - to punish them for the way blacks in particular were treated up until the 1960s. There is nothing equitable about a program that says to minorities "You're not capable of competing on an equal footing with whites; so we'll give you extra help by lowering the standards and giving you preferential treatment."

The difference, the purpose of the dream of Affirmative Action, was that an equitable society gave everyone the means to equally achieve, but would still rely on merit.

But it isn't about merit! The standards are LOWER for minorities because of affirmative action and you know damned well that lowering the standards for one group doesn't constitute merit. What they've "earned" is worth less because the standards are lower.

Thats what you want, you want a meritocracy, a system where those who work the hardest get the biggest rewards, right?

If we really want meritocracy then we would do away with affirmative action entirely.

What if the system was such that someone had to work twice as hard to achieve the same thing?

Oh, the leftist crap about equal outcomes. Please, give me a break!

Should that person, in theory, be rewarded for his extra effort?

Not really. Just because someone has to work harder than someone else to get to the same place (because of lesser ability) doesn't mean he should get extra rewards.

Affirmative Action was created to eventually run out of a use for itself, it only really needed one or maybe two generations, and could perhaps have helped a lot of people.

Nonsense! Affirmative action is a perfect example of sick leftist paternalism.