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Quote by: Chaossaber They can run radar while moving. Now if he was driving one handed and holding the relatively heavy laser in the other hand steady enough to accurately read this guy, he's either really really talented, or he didn't do it.

There is no way he radared him. It's all on video. Did you see a radar gun used? I sure didn't. What I saw was a cop park in front of the 40MPH sign setting a speed trap and quickly pulling over the first guy that came by. Technically, the speed limit was still 60. The man wanted to know how fast he was clocked at and got NO ANSWER. Despite asking many many times "How fast was I going". Before and after he was tortured for his insolence. This is vital information if he wishes to take this matter to court. Imagine a cop pulling you over for running a stop sign and refusing to tell which stop sign he thinks you ran.

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Nah, you only have to read Miranda if they're about to be interrogated.

The suspect can say anything he wants after being arrested and not Mirandized, and it cannot be used in court against him.

Quote by: Chaossaber314 If I think a cop has pulled a gun on me I'm going to stop moving right there.

You would think so, but then again you never know how you would act in a situation like that. This guy is just pleading his case, and a damn good one at that, and suddenly he's being threatened with what he thought was lethal force. Taking a defensive posture is natural in this circumstance if you ask me. Putting his hand in his pocket was stupid however. But I think he was just freaked out a little by this sudden jump in tempo.

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Like I said before, the cop is in the wrong, but this guy is an idiot.

I would normally be the first guy to concur. If not for the egregious procedural violations committed by the officer.

I have expended great effort in defending police in situations like this on this very discussion board. But I will not defend this cop for creating a volatile and potentially deadly situation.

I'd also like to point out the fact that this guy was laying on the road twitching. A busy road, as is apparent when you watch the full video I posted. He could have been run over and killed after being electrocuted over a simple traffic infraction that may not have even occurred.

That could have been a death sentence handed down for simple verbal defiance.

Quote by: Chaossaber To reduce gun related deaths and provide an additional continuum between restraint and lethal force

He pulled his taser out of anger. This is obvious. He didn't reach for his cuffs. He reached for a tool meant to be implemented, as you just said, for use against a threatening or fleeing suspect.

The guy walked calmly with the officer and didn't make any sudden moves. He spoke calmly and started gesturing to indicate his point about the traffic sign placement and this pig just hauls off IN ANGER and draws a weapon, screaming in a hostile manner. This was done out of anger, not necessity. Police ARE NOT supposed to react with anger.

Quote by: Keith Only one point I would like to make to this, that wasn't already made by someone else. This "young piggy" was a 14 year veteran of the state police. Not really so young.

He sure acted like a rookie with no idea how to deal with people.

When I watch my brother handle people and situations like this on his beat, he is calm, respectful and courteous. Even when being shouted at and told to "F*ck off". This is why he has never had a video of himself posted on youtube. Because he does what police are supposed to do. Diffuse the situation and/or bring an argumentative person to reason.

In my opinion the pig/officer in this case could have handled this the way I know my brother would have.

When Massey said "I'm not signing this", the proper thing to do would be to assume this man doesn't know this could lead to arrest. He should have said "Sir, if you do not comply and sign this agreement to appear in court, I will issue you a citation for refusal to sign a traffic citation. If you still refuse to sign I will ask you to exit your vehicle and I WILL place you under arrest".

It's that simple. Calm, respectful and making sure that Massey understands the importance of compliance.

He did none of this. The pig was angry at the defiance toward the citation.