[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Sonart Face it yourself... as a percentage of the amount of time they're in use, automobiles are vastly safer than guns. It's like saying domestic dog bites are more numerous than mountain lion bites, therefore, taken individually, dogs are more dangerous than mountain lions. It's a false comparison....

Nonsense, or you would have the stats to back it up.

Quote by: Sonart ...and you know it.

No, what I know is not to blame the inanimate object for the actions of the man implementing said object.

Quote by: Sonart Yes, they do. And neither are designed to kill people.

Lucky for you that guns do kill people, or your life would be very different. Most likely you'd be speaking German, if you existed at all.

Quote by: Sonart Doesn't matter, Milton... that's your gripe to live with. The Constitution made perfectly clear how Presidents are to be elected, how the Supreme Court is appointed and what the function of the Supreme Court is. Tough beans if 200 years later the result doesn't happen to conform to your 18th century view of how the world should be.

I know how fond you are of disregarding "orginal intent", but I just don't see how you can avoid it. The people that originally signed the contract, agreed with the language, and the intent.

Quote by: Sonart Yes, I'm sure you would. Take that and a buck fifty and you can get a cup of coffee.

And gossip with the girls about Liberal education, and all it's doing for America?

Quote by: Sonart And perhaps you can show where the Constitution gives you that right. The 2nd Amendment says, "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right to keep...", not "It being necessary to throw off tyrants in their own government, the right to keep... etc.".

You have seen the quotes from the drafters, and signers of the document. What can I impart on you that their words cannot?


Face it, this is a classic case of bias, you just don't like guns, or the gun culture.


Whaere will you be when Star Trek is realized, and everybody want a Phaser?

Quote by: Sonart The Declaration of Independence, as I keep saying, was not a legal document. It was a list of grievances and a declaration of intent... an international press release declaring the colonies intent to leave the British Commonwealth. Of COURSE it alluded to a right to throw off tyranny. But once again, the Constitution makes no allusion whatsoever to that "Right", because no legitimate government can allow an armed insurrection against them to succeed, and that included the government created by the very founders who espoused rebellion when it suited their purpose. Once their own government was formed, neither Washington, nor Adams, nor Jefferson, nor any of the signers of the DOI would have allowed rebellion against THEIR governments to succeed, and obviously made no provision in the Constitution to facilitate such rebellion. To the contrary, one of the enumerated duties of the "Well Regulated Militia" was specifically to "Put Down Insurrections".

Then why would they include the language about the citizens ability to throw off tyrants in their own government? You never do address that question.


You also conveniently miss that other question about how one would go about removing tyrannical leaders with a tyrant controlled National Guard.


When the National Guard was Federalized, it lost all resemblance to the "militia" defined in the constitution because it came under control of the Federal government, thus, not a "State Militia".