[Osborn F Enready]

Sonart said: To the contrary, you're completely in denial. I'm not arguing the constitutionality of the 2nd Amendment for giggles.

It appears you are, since the material is rather comedic.

Sonart said: (although it's hilarious to watch gun loons, who've bullying debaters on this for years, sputter and choke when presented a simple and quite irrefutable argument that I can't believe no one's presented before)

Which argument is that Sonart?

Sonart said: I want Americans to get over their sick gun lust and the Dirty Harry mentality that it breeds, and the first step is getting over the idea that Gawd came down from heaven and granted you the right to carry around a deadly weapon.

I don't believe in "god" or any other nonsense, I simply recognize my creator as was described in the documents, natures god, or nature itself, and natures law is the law of force. The law of force was put on hold when all reasonable men were recognized as equal, which means eqaul right to justice, equal right to defense, equal rights to keep and bear arms.

Stop putting this on religion, when religion has nothing to do with it.

Sonart said: The right to feed your family? No.

Yes, a right to feed my self and my family with the use of arms, if necessary.

Sonart said: The right to medical care? No.

No such thing. You have a right to ACCESS medical care, as you can afford by your means, but the government is under no obligation to be your nanny, your momma or your nursemaid.

Sonart said: The right to travel as you choose? No.

The right to travel without obstruction.

Sonart said: But the right to carry the means to kill from a distance?

The right to keep and bear arms, and arms is the terminology used to "identify" weapons. Arms can be a pike, a sword, a firearm or a bow and arrow. Arms are "tools" used for defense by an individual.

Sonart said: Hey, absolutely. That's simply nuts... a perversion of the concept of individual freedom, and the fact we're the most violent, belligerent civilized nation on earth simply bares that out.

Anything else Mr. Kant?

Sonart said: Are you proud of the fact we're a nation of violent road ragers longing to fulfull our violence fantasies?

Try speaking for yourself, firstly. Secondly, why not address what brings about the stress and pressure on people in our society before blaming the pencil for all things written badly?

Its not the pencil, its the individual who misuses the pencil.
Its not access to the pencil, its lack of penalty for the crime of misuse of the pencil that is the problem.
Its not free speech thats the problem, its the abuse of it.

But no, instead you want to blame the pencil, blame the typewriter, blame the culture, anything but blame those who foster and facillitate the actual crime......

Sonart said: It's because we've been immersed in it and trained to it from our earliest childhood by a culture than glories in gunfire.

Yet you still fail to notice its the guns, and the men and women holing them that keep peace in every portion of the world that has any peace. You still fail to notice that those who come to YOUR aid, at any time you call, bear arms. You still fail to notice the REALITY of the world we live in, because your imaginary world which the arms you berate have allowed you the freedom to sit and gaze upon thy navel, contemplating.

Denial of reality only makes you appear more the fool Sonart.

Sonart said: It's insanity. Jeez, just listen to Osborn and friends who can't wait for a civil war to start, as if it's going to be some made for TV movie they can watch... and maybe -- teehee, giggle -- they may actually get to shoot some anonymous "enemy". Weeeee! V for Victory!!

I have no desire to shoot anyone, period, ever. I have no desire to kill, to maim, to use force against anyone, in any measure, AT ALL!

I only seek the right to live my life as I see fit, and its people like you who insist on standing in the way of that. Since that is the case, those who impede other peoples way of lives, have a burden to bear come the day of rectification, whenever that may be, if ever, however.

I make no threats, I glorify no desire or bloodlust, I simply state reality as it is.... I will protect my right to keep and bear arms, as all my other INALIENABLE rights, regardless of the cost.

Some day, maybe you will start accepting your own responsibility, for yourself and your government. If you don't want to, simply get out of the way.

If you want a life without guns, with constant care to your needs, with 3 meals a day and a bed thats always ready for you.... break a law, go to prison, and socialist life is at your fingertips. Those of us who prefer freedom and responsibility, will continue on our own, thanks.