[another day]

Quote by: Winter wind *Gasp* you didn't. I love analogies. I'm going to nip this right in the bud. Stop putting all "religious folk" in the same category and labeling them stupid. Einstein was one of the "religious folk"

1.) It's true you all suffer from a debilitatingly small understanding of the way the universe works as a gigantic organic entity, rather then an isolated arena which things can be dumped into (created).

2.) einstein was not one of the "religious folk". He believed in spinoza's god which is essentially not a god at all. It's exactly what I said, the universe and all it's forces as god, removing the unnecessary projection of our egos and emotions onto it.

This is true, but the complexity of the universe demands a cause. What's the answer to that? (not rhetorical, asking for a position)

Natural forces. Everything is centered towards creation and balance.

While i did ask you not to label us all stupid, unfortunately I am stupid. Could you clarify this please, because you've lost me.

It's easy. You believe in god, I believe in the forces of nature. I simply remove the part where you anthromorphize nature into a person or creature called "god".

Interesting theory, but could you present some proof.

The proof is in examining human tribal behaviour. Humans have been projecting their tribal animal images onto the unexplainable for centuries. Eg: Zeus used to be thought to throw lightning bolts, we thought of the sun and moon as gods. We anthropomorphize everything in nature to help our tribal human minds relate to it. We say "mother nature", we draw talking trees and animals. It's no different then god. We put a human face on a natural force so people can understand it. People like christians will tell me their god is completely different then humans, but reading the bible tells a different story. He is a human to the core, complete with jealously, rage, vengeance, and a pathetic need for worship, like a king.