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Quote by: FenianKiwi Very simple...no one has yet presented either good arguments or compelling reasons to believe in any gods at all. You answered it yourself. We 'just happen' to exist (by 'we', I assume you mean humanity). The odds of us existing are precisely 1 in 2. Either we exist, or we do not exist. Since we obviously DO exist, the probability rises to 1:1, it's a metaphysical certitude. Are you dead certain that nothing else on Earth is a conscious entity? Very good cases can be made for the rest of our close kin group (gorillas, chimpanzees, orangs, bonobos) and for the cetaceans. [clipped an extraneous bit about Rev Paley's watch] The Argument To Design is valid if (and only if) you can demonstrate that human beings are the intended result of the Universe. There is really no reason to think so. That being said, watches are not living artifacts. Evidence of human design in a watch is not the same as evidence of Divine design in a leaf, or a spider monkey, or even a Volconvo poster. The primary difference being that, when humans design artifacts, they tend to work properly. Life is, by and large, horribly 'designed': the eye, the urethra, parasitic wasps, and so forth. What we see around us is exactly what we would expect if life evolved 'just good enough to get by'. If life is designed, or is the product of an omnibenevolent Deity, please explain the following as evidence of 'perfectly working: -diabetes -Harlequin infant syndrome -The little girl in India who was just operated on to remove her extra pair of arms and legs. -SIDS -Bubonic plague -rabies etc, etc ad infinitum ad nauseum. If the universe was created, the Creator is a sick, sick puppy.

Oh, my goodness gratious, I ment to add that it works till something changes the homiostasis of our bodies. Sides with a little bit of Insulin and an application of the will to give it to myself in the form of shots, my body works just fine with type 1 diabetes. Who said mortality was easy and perfect? Oh, I did, but that wasnt the point, now was it?