Thread: No God?
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Old Nov 8, 2007, 03:56 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
FenianKiwi
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That's right, no God.

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There are too many time when people ask me, "How can there be a God?"
My simple response is how can you not?
Very simple...no one has yet presented either good arguments or compelling reasons to believe in any gods at all.

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How is it that we just happen to exist?
You answered it yourself. We 'just happen' to exist (by 'we', I assume you mean humanity). The odds of us existing are precisely 1 in 2. Either we exist, or we do not exist. Since we obviously DO exist, the probability rises to 1:1, it's a metaphysical certitude.

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That we just happened to find a need to evolve into a counciouness [sic], yet nothing else around us has?
Are you dead certain that nothing else on Earth is a conscious entity? Very good cases can be made for the rest of our close kin group (gorillas, chimpanzees, orangs, bonobos) and for the cetaceans.


[clipped an extraneous bit about Rev Paley's watch]

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Now how many of you would actually beleve the watch? You know that It had to be made by someone or somthing, So why is the concept so hard that even us humans have had some sort of Maker here on Earth?
The Argument To Design is valid if (and only if) you can demonstrate that human beings are the intended result of the Universe. There is really no reason to think so.

That being said, watches are not living artifacts. Evidence of human design in a watch is not the same as evidence of Divine design in a leaf, or a spider monkey, or even a Volconvo poster. The primary difference being that, when humans design artifacts, they tend to work properly. Life is, by and large, horribly 'designed': the eye, the urethra, parasitic wasps, and so forth. What we see around us is exactly what we would expect if life evolved 'just good enough to get by'. If life is designed, or is the product of an omnibenevolent Deity, please explain the following as evidence of 'perfectly working:

-diabetes
-Harlequin infant syndrome
-The little girl in India who was just operated on to remove her extra
pair of arms and legs.
-SIDS
-Bubonic plague
-rabies

etc, etc ad infinitum ad nauseum. If the universe was created, the Creator is a sick, sick puppy.


It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no reason whatsoever for supposing it to be true -Bertrand Russell
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