[Praxius]

Quote by: ruksak Sure, in the realm of war it could be justified. But that doesn't mean we should sit back and allow them to have the means to do so. Why would we do that, Praxius?

Never said you had to, to a degree.... All I was saying is that when this does happen again, don't expect any sympathy, no don't bother to redicule those who don't express sympathy as being cruel of evil, let alone supporters of the action.

The Japanese went way beyond "reluctance". They had a habit of committing suicide by hurling themselves off of cliffs to avoid surrender.

So?

I imagine a few people killed themselves in order to avoid capture by the Nazis and their treatment... it was common for each government to potray the enemy as as evil as possible. Your mentality towards what they were like is similar to how they viewed you guys.

All this shows is their devotion to the life they know.... be that filled by propaganda or genuine personal belief.

Them commiting suicide isn't a justification to nuke them.

You seem to be avoiding the fact that many lives were saved by the application of the atomic bomb.

I have no need to claim avoidance on this fact, because I haven't. I'm talking about the ends justifying the means, and the means is what is in question. What already has occured isn't what is in question as it's already answered by history.

All I'm saying is there was a potiential of a bit more of a humanitarian method of targeting, as this was clearly on a genocidal level.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, religious or national group. While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, the legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of the CPPCG defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

On the level... debatable if it could be classified as genocide.... of course if the US continued to drop bombs as it did with these two, then I could easily say it would classify as Genocide.