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Athena · Nov 5, 2007, 05:58 pm

:) I think I love you. What you said about us having mutable brains is so helpful to this discussion. I think we should bring all other discussions to a screaming halt until we determine, what is human nature.

There are several google hits for "ferral children" that explain the effect of different organical brain problems, or possibly the effect of deafness without proper treatment.

For us to be the humans as we expect humans to be, requires not only several brain and sensory functions, but also training for being human. Creationist are holding a false belief about our human nature and from there are making many bad decisions. We are not as we expect human to be, unless we are trained to act like humans from the earliest age, and if for some reason this does not happen early in life, the untrained human, may loose the abilibity to learn how to function as we expect humans to function.

This fact of life, lead to misjudging black people as subhumans. The cultures of Africa did not prepare them to to function like Europeans. Same with native Americans. We are born with fairly equal potential, but if we can develop that potential or not, depends on our early years. After the age of 8, it becomes much harder to train a human child to behave as expected.

This fact of life has many moral implications, and a justice system based on a creationist point of view, is not just, because that is a false concept of our nature. The story of Adam and Eve is a myth. As we were created, we were as animals. Animals that could learn how to be as we expect humans to human to be.

We are not evil because Eve ate the wrong fruit, therefore we are born into this condition and must be saved by a supernatural power. We are not evil because a supernatural being of evil makes us evil. We are no more evil or sinful than any other animal. Our human nature, good or bad, is learned. Our natural condition is that of wild animals, running on all fours with no language, and eating raw whatever we can get into our mouths and chew. By studying ancient human stools, we know humans ate birds, feathers and all, just as an animal would. We know humans took a time to learn how to use tools and control fires. Our development to the humans we are today was a hard, long process. WE WERE NOT CREATED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, FULLY DEVELOPED HUMAN BEINGS CAPABLE OF ADVANCING CIVICLIZATIONS.

Nov 5, 2007, 05:58 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Athena Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,172	:) I think I love you. What you said about us having mutable brains is so helpful to this discussion. I think we should bring all other discussions to a screaming halt until we determine, what is human nature. There are several google hits for "ferral children" that explain the effect of different organical brain problems, or possibly the effect of deafness without proper treatment. For us to be the humans as we expect humans to be, requires not only several brain and sensory functions, but also training for being human. Creationist are holding a false belief about our human nature and from there are making many bad decisions. We are not as we expect human to be, unless we are trained to act like humans from the earliest age, and if for some reason this does not happen early in life, the untrained human, may loose the abilibity to learn how to function as we expect humans to function. This fact of life, lead to misjudging black people as subhumans. The cultures of Africa did not prepare them to to function like Europeans. Same with native Americans. We are born with fairly equal potential, but if we can develop that potential or not, depends on our early years. After the age of 8, it becomes much harder to train a human child to behave as expected. This fact of life has many moral implications, and a justice system based on a creationist point of view, is not just, because that is a false concept of our nature. The story of Adam and Eve is a myth. As we were created, we were as animals. Animals that could learn how to be as we expect humans to human to be. We are not evil because Eve ate the wrong fruit, therefore we are born into this condition and must be saved by a supernatural power. We are not evil because a supernatural being of evil makes us evil. We are no more evil or sinful than any other animal. Our human nature, good or bad, is learned. Our natural condition is that of wild animals, running on all fours with no language, and eating raw whatever we can get into our mouths and chew. By studying ancient human stools, we know humans ate birds, feathers and all, just as an animal would. We know humans took a time to learn how to use tools and control fires. Our development to the humans we are today was a hard, long process. WE WERE NOT CREATED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, FULLY DEVELOPED HUMAN BEINGS CAPABLE OF ADVANCING CIVICLIZATIONS.