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Century25 said: It is ludicrous. Not sense at all. Do you believe you could get enough racists to allow "any atrocity to take place by any majority, over any minority vote." (your words)..?? What a fable.

First of all, I don't know exactly what you are trying to say. Your question is not very clear, so if you would like, repeat it, word it more clearly, and I will answer.

Secondly, it seems you are denying what a true democracy is.

In a true democracy, majority rules, period. If the majority votes to eat the minority, or enslave them, or use them as "sacrifices" to some subjectively adored "god" (by majority of course), that would be their destiny, and they would have no voice or LAW to stand on to back them up in fighting those decisions.

Do you deny this?

Century25 said: In fact, we would have had equality for all people here in America.. not the atrocities that we have in fact endured under our plutocratic regime..

That is a statement that is both UNPROVEABLE and entirely subjective speculation. That argument can go right in the roundfile.

Century25 said: Plutocracy has been our "government" since the get go.

Are you really this ignorant on the facts of American history?

I ask you to PROVE this nonsense if you insist on spouting it.

Century25 said: They hustled Democracy, the scam you speak of, right off the table. How could they control the will of the people..?? It was easy at the time.. the small population was mostly ignorant.. illiterate. So they claimed that necessitated the electoral vote.. in order to give the ignorant a voice in who is chosen as "president" (over them) -- so long as it comes down to the very person the "electors" wanted.

So, am I to assume you are blaming the electoral college for all the faults in American politics?

I don't think you have made a point, but if you have, please point it out so I can rebutt it.

Century25 said: Jefferson knew what we needed. Democracy.. is never a scam.

Democracy is easily "overthrown", and if you can't see how, I would love to explain it to you.

Century25 said: In fact, Mr Bush loves to bleat the word Democracy out every chance he gets. Especially when "helping" other nations to "do it our way" --

Again, do you have a point, or just ranting?

Century25 said: I think that is redundant.. that ground has been pounded to death. How do you think we had slavery.. all through our grand constitutional beginnings..??

It should be obvious if you studied history. Slavery wasn't abolished from the beginning, because the support of many of the slave owners was needed to seperate from England. Without allowing slavery in the beginning, chances are the "revolt" would have failed.

You act as if the U.S. created slavery, when really we were only one small part in a global slave trade, and one of the first to grant blacks full rights, as well as women.

Neither could have been done without the objective principles in the Bill of Rights.

Century25 said: And to this day, this country allows it's owners.. the corporations, to decree our lives..?? Yes, plutocracy has always been our way.

I don't deny where we "are" today politically, I deny your lies and propaganda of our founding Constitution, and the system as designed.

If you wish to continue, please provide some facts and references if you intend to make valid points, and I will provide all the counter-points you can endure.