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Quote by: Century 25  It is ludicrous. Not sense at all. Do you believe you could get enough racists to allow "any atrocity to take place by any majority, over any minority vote." (your words)..?? What a fable. In fact, we would have had equality for all people here in America.. not the atrocities that we have in fact endured under our plutocratic regime..
Plutocracy has been our "government" since the get go. They hustled Democracy, the scam you speak of, right off the table. How could they control the will of the people..??  It was easy at the time.. the small population was mostly ignorant.. illiterate. So they claimed that necessitated the electoral vote.. in order to give the ignorant a voice in who is chosen as "president" (over them) -- so long as it comes down to the very person the "electors" wanted. Jefferson knew what we needed. Democracy.. is never a scam. In fact, Mr Bush loves to bleat the word Democracy out every chance he gets. Especially when "helping" other nations to "do it our way" -- :eek:
See above.
I think that is redundant.. that ground has been pounded to death. How do you think we had slavery.. all through our grand constitutional beginnings..?? And to this day, this country allows it's owners.. the corporations, to decree our lives..?? Yes, plutocracy has always been our way. |
I think you have democracy confused with a form of government. Our
form of government is a republic. Our
culture is based on democratic principles.
Free public education began before people needed education to work, and had nothing to do with vocational training. It was about teaching
a set of American values, and knowing parents would learn them from their children. Our liberty, depended on this education, because the education resulted in social order that, maintained a natural law and order, without having to make a bunch of man made laws, and hiring a lot of people to enforce them. We collected taxes from all the people, and educated all the children, because this is the best way to maintain liberty and make our republic strong.
We have been a
democratic republic, whereas, Germany was an autocratic and
authoritarian republic. However, democracy as culture, is like religion. It can not be forced on people, only taught, and the culture must be learned before the people can manifest it. We stopped preparing our young for democracy, and have become an increasingly authoritarian republic.
When people built their city hall, and other public buildings, with their own hands, and governed themselves in town hall meetings, they were not ruled by a plutocracy. Tocqueville who was a Frenchman and observed our young democracy in the 1820's wrote a glowing report about how citizens did so much for themselves without govern interference, but he was also a highly intelligent man who saw the dangers of what Christian democracies would become. He was amazingly correct! The increase of government control over our lives has sky rocketed in my life time. I am horrified by the radical change in our country and the accuracy of Tocqueville's predictions. But then we stopped educating for democracy in 1958, and began instead of relying on an educated citizenry, but our faith in technology, and turned our schools into production factories, producing our young to be parts for the Borg.
Osborn greases the wheels for our decent into hell.
Please,
this thread is about how we come to know reality, not politics.
Do you think it is better to base your concept of reality on science or the bible? Do you think it is better to have authority over the people, or educate them to be their own authority?