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Helio said:
Not that I personally like the idea of the welfare state but how do you urge citizens to become self sufficient?
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The "urge" starts with education, and frank discussion of the entitlements that have created the inefficiency, and fraudulent waste in the government system as it is today.
There is a lot of power in words that come from the system, if the words ring of truth, address the issues, and are consistent throughout.
It is also important to urge people to do this, because whether they are removed or left alone, entitlements are coming to an end, either by going broke, or by removing them legally.
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Helio said:
If you support a government limited in powers in how it can interact with its citizens then how does one enforce the idea of your urge point?
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Education and frank discussion don't require the use of force.
Point blank, we need to tell people they can't expect certain services to be performed by government, as it was never intended, and is financially and individually irresponsible, and inefficient.
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Techno said:
Each of the items indicated should be numbered so that it is clear what someone might wish to debate out of context of the whole.
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This is a first draft, I put forth for public scrutiny before several other drafts that will lead to the final draft.
It is not perfect, and if you wish to participate, please deal with some of the shortcomings that arise from these types of procedures in an unformal setting.
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Techno said:
Who or what is the "Supreme Judge of the world"?
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That is an individual opinion. Some say a god of some type. Some say the people of the world as a collective. Some say nature.
It is addressed in theory to the people of the world, all governments, by one uniform people who will eventually sign their names to it.
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Techno said:
Who are you seeking independance form?
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Is that not obvious? From a government that has veered away from Constitutional Law, protecting individual rights, and at every turn and opprotunity attempts to infringe in the daily lives of innocent, peaceful peoples. (A.K.A., THE US GOVERNMENT AS IT EXISTS TODAY)
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Thanatos said:
As I said, too many things to argue against all at once. Each and every one of those topics could turn into a standalone multipage thread.
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That can happen if you wish to take the initiative to start a thread about what you disagree with in this thread.
I certainly have no objection to it.
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Thanatos said:
The issue is not me estimating your intelligence to be low but me estimating my time and energy to be finite.
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No explanation necessary.
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Thanatos said:
Lets start with a public school system. I say we need one in order to ensure that every child in America has access to a basic education.
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Fine, I respect your opinion, and would also expect you to show why ONLY a public system could do such. I happen to know that privatized systems, and home-schooling can do better, and am willing to counter your evidence and arguments once you put them on the table.
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Thanatos said:
Being upset about not having your political views expressed in the school system is one thing, but wanting to get rid of public education entirely? Explain yourself.
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There is no Constitutional Basis for public funded education, especially as it currently exists.
I challenge you to show me where the Constitution provides for this type of law, tax collection and demands of the people.
Fair enough?