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Old Sep 28, 2007, 03:36 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul
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I must assume that the independance that you are seeking, along with those who join in that activity, is independance form the Federal Government, not as an idenity, but due to the manner in which it is acting or operating, and has been so doing for a while, namely in respect to the Consitution, as you believe it should be interpreted (minus a few possible admendments?).

And then you would form a new government, keeping the same Consitution and Bill of Rights, but without those parts which you feel have violated the intent and purposes of that document. And you made a list of those violations that you disaproved of.

This was done twice before. After a bloody war they won independance from the government of England, and later on a number of southern states conducted a war to gain independance from the Federal government, resulting in the civil war, but they were defeated and did not gain the independance they were seeking. One reason the southern states did not win their independance is because the northern states did not join them in that revolution, and remained loyal to the Federal Government (Republic), as well as the idealism that "united we stand".

One Island state is now concidering such independance.

In the 1960s the Hippy movement attempted to gain independance from the "establishment" which included the Federal and State governments and they did so with a grass roots movement and through creating a code of non-conformity, which was popular for a while, then faded away.

Even so that temporay indpendance was won at a price, which included protests, violence, and bloodshed. But later surrendered.

Now the time has come again, people want a change.

We could do it at the voting booths, through the Supreme Court, or via military like action. (which might require a leader?).

Your signature idea would certainly be a start. (putting the so called polls or potical winds for change into writing and documented by signatures).

If you and others happened to get lots of people to sign that declaired goal, no doubt pressure would be brought upon those who oganized that effort. (some of you might die just at that stage, potentially). But such fears do not stop those in the spirit of such a movement.

But for success on your part I do not think signatures from individual citizens would be enough. The states would need to also make that announcment - by the Governors of those states, or some standing poltical body within the state governments. As that would make it offical and more consitutional under your guidelines. Namely that the states would demand their rightful powers as seperated from the Federal Government. The 2nd and most important aspect for success is to have a large majority of states uniting in agreement to create a new re-creation of the Federal Government. So that in case of a actural civil war states in minority could not defeat the revolutionary states, which would be the majority.
(learning from the North vs South civial war).

The final aspect for success on your part would be that those states that take part in that revolution would need to get arms for their national guards (over which they would proclaim full authority of (over)). And then the revolutionary states could pass laws that they can draft people into the their national guard (which then would correctly be their "State Guard" military. along with a voluntary branch that would precede the drafted ones. The reason being is that states are allowed to buy better weapons then private people can buy - even tanks I believe?

However, concerning your document that people would sign, I would suggest changes (that I might address later on). One in particular is to remove or reword the phraise " the Great Authority Of The World". It sounds too religious and like as if you are planning a holy war of some kind. Currently not a popular idea. Therefore - white out that line.

I hope these comments are within the expectations of your O.P. instructions.
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