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RebelWithanAK · Oct 27, 2003, 12:26 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,)
Yes there is, haven't you taken European History? The harvest/agrian culture that permeated Europe was highly collective and distributed everything based on need, which is the same driving force in Socialism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>No, it merely kept them alive. It was hierarchical and ordained by people who had absolutely no sense of equality. After all, the 'people' were their unwilling, unchangeable subordinates (hell, they avoided them so much they might as well have been a different freakin' species) who could not move away, could not change their station, and had absolutely no liberties whatsoever.<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,)
which they themselves CONSENT to earn. If they disagree, they can try their own hand at business, or get a new job. They AGREE that they deserve that much.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>Obviously you don't understand the concept of 'Industry Standard.' Plutocrats want new people to join their class about as much as aristocrats before them - which is never. Now, by their very definition they control all industry, so where is the "new job" going to come from? And considering that the vast majority of the population is still living via wages from these few plutocrats, what chances do they ALL have of forming their own businesses? That's not really a universal solution, now is it?<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,)
The Benefit reaped by the poor from the rich cannot be understated. I doubt i can't explain it better than this so here goes. I highly suggest you read the entire book:<hr size="1" /></blockquote>Understated? You're DAMNED RIGHT it can't be understated. There IS NO BENEFIT. There is no state under that!

Oh and, pray tell, what book?

Oct 27, 2003, 12:26 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,) Yes there is, haven't you taken European History? The harvest/agrian culture that permeated Europe was highly collective and distributed everything based on need, which is the same driving force in Socialism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>No, it merely kept them alive. It was hierarchical and ordained by people who had absolutely no sense of equality. After all, the 'people' were their unwilling, unchangeable subordinates (hell, they avoided them so much they might as well have been a different freakin' species) who could not move away, could not change their station, and had absolutely no liberties whatsoever.</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,) which they themselves CONSENT to earn. If they disagree, they can try their own hand at business, or get a new job. They AGREE that they deserve that much.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Obviously you don't understand the concept of 'Industry Standard.' Plutocrats want new people to join their class about as much as aristocrats before them - which is never. Now, by their very definition they control all industry, so where is the "new job" going to come from? And considering that the vast majority of the population is still living via wages from these few plutocrats, what chances do they ALL have of forming their own businesses? That's not really a universal solution, now is it?</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,) The Benefit reaped by the poor from the rich cannot be understated. I doubt i can't explain it better than this so here goes. I highly suggest you read the entire book:<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Understated? You're DAMNED RIGHT it can't be understated. There IS NO BENEFIT. There is no state under that! Oh and, pray tell, what book? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.