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Yarn · Sep 10, 2007, 08:02 am

Why should Palestinians receive any rights? They not Israeli citizens they are PA citizens. It’s like asking from Israel give some rights to Syrians.

Many Palestinians live within Israels borders (and not the PAs), why shouldn't they be Israeli citizens, if they have been there for decades?

Are you claim there is no terrorist action? The fence reduced greatly terrorist activity. If there was no terrorist activity there was no need of any fence. Yes it coursed some inconvenience to local population .What more important to you life of innocent person or some inconvenience?

"Medecins du Monde, the Palestinian Red Crescent Society and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel have stated that the barrier "harms West Bank health".[51] Upon completion of the construction, the organizations predict, the barrier would prevent over 130,000 Palestinian children from being immunised, and deny more than 100,000 pregnant women (out of which 17,640 are high risk pregnancies) access to healthcare in Israel. In addition, almost a third of West Bank villages will suffer from lack of access to healthcare. After completion, many residents may lose complete access to emergency care at night. In towns near Jerusalem (Abu Dis and Aizaria), for example, average time for an ambulance to travel to the nearest hospital has increased from 10 minutes to over 110 minutes.[52]

A report from Physicians for Human Rights-Israel also states that the barrier imposes "almost-total separation" on the hospitals from the population they are supposed to serve.[53] The report also noted that patients from the West Bank visiting Jerusalem's Palestinian clinics declined by half from 2002 to 2003.
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- Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes it is effective in preventing terrorist attacks, and in reducing provocation of Israel's wrath, and so it saves both Israeli and Palestinian lives. However, if the above statistics are accurate, it significantly harms the health of hundreds of thousands people, and if it does so, then the equation does not tilt towards humanitarian good or less deaths.

I will admit, I should have done my research on this earlier. Were it not for its isolating so many Palestinians from Physcians, this wall would be an overall good thing.

Israel won 3 wars without American aid and it perfectly capable win more.

I would agree that Israel doesn't need the USes help to be militarily viable. However, as Jimmy Carter proved, the US is capable of reigning Israel in, when Israel gets too wild.

What we want to do, is excersize our leverage over Israel, in order to make it more moral. If we withdraw support from Israel completely, the effects will not destroy it, and Israel will just start acting even less responsibly.

This will never happen and because of this Jews have to rely only on themselves because no one care when someone kill Jews. History showed it vey well.We would be stupid not to learn from that.

There is never an excuse for net evil, and Israel frequently pursues net evil. Furthermore, jews are no longer opressed in the west.

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Yarn Igneous Magma Location: Southwest Conneticut Posts: 250	Why should Palestinians receive any rights? They not Israeli citizens they are PA citizens. It’s like asking from Israel give some rights to Syrians. Many Palestinians live within Israels borders (and not the PAs), why shouldn't they be Israeli citizens, if they have been there for decades? Are you claim there is no terrorist action? The fence reduced greatly terrorist activity. If there was no terrorist activity there was no need of any fence. Yes it coursed some inconvenience to local population .What more important to you life of innocent person or some inconvenience? "Medecins du Monde, the Palestinian Red Crescent Society and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel have stated that the barrier "harms West Bank health".[51] Upon completion of the construction, the organizations predict, the barrier would prevent over 130,000 Palestinian children from being immunised, and deny more than 100,000 pregnant women (out of which 17,640 are high risk pregnancies) access to healthcare in Israel. In addition, almost a third of West Bank villages will suffer from lack of access to healthcare. After completion, many residents may lose complete access to emergency care at night. In towns near Jerusalem (Abu Dis and Aizaria), for example, average time for an ambulance to travel to the nearest hospital has increased from 10 minutes to over 110 minutes.[52] A report from Physicians for Human Rights-Israel also states that the barrier imposes "almost-total separation" on the hospitals from the population they are supposed to serve.[53] The report also noted that patients from the West Bank visiting Jerusalem's Palestinian clinics declined by half from 2002 to 2003. " - Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Yes it is effective in preventing terrorist attacks, and in reducing provocation of Israel's wrath, and so it saves both Israeli and Palestinian lives. However, if the above statistics are accurate, it significantly harms the health of hundreds of thousands people, and if it does so, then the equation does not tilt towards humanitarian good or less deaths. I will admit, I should have done my research on this earlier. Were it not for its isolating so many Palestinians from Physcians, this wall would be an overall good thing. Israel won 3 wars without American aid and it perfectly capable win more. I would agree that Israel doesn't need the USes help to be militarily viable. However, as Jimmy Carter proved, the US is capable of reigning Israel in, when Israel gets too wild. What we want to do, is excersize our leverage over Israel, in order to make it more moral. If we withdraw support from Israel completely, the effects will not destroy it, and Israel will just start acting even less responsibly. This will never happen and because of this Jews have to rely only on themselves because no one care when someone kill Jews. History showed it vey well.We would be stupid not to learn from that. There is never an excuse for net evil, and Israel frequently pursues net evil. Furthermore, jews are no longer opressed in the west. A closed mind is a dead mind.