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Quote by: Chancellor I said exactly and only what I said and meant exactly and only what I said. But yes, I do believe that parental authority over their children is absolute. Don't give me any of this "logically implies" crap! I'm sick of people reading things into my posts.

What? What I said what you said logically implies is exactly what you said you do in fact believe, so it seems I got it right.

See above. In the Law of Moses it was commanded that rebellious children be stoned to death.

Ah, but guess who was responsible for stoning the children to death? The courts. Indeed, the court system is discussed in the Law of Moses. It was not the parents who had the right to kill their children, but, yep, the government. The law is a communal law. Parents are given power, but the power is regulated by a code of laws.

It is nevertheless true that some societies have given parents absolute power. And some societies have given parents less power. Your point?

As for raping children, any parent that would even think of having sex with his or her children is perverted.

Yet it obviously happens. So what do we do with these perverts? Allow them to continue on raping their children? Asking that question is silly though because you already gave your answer. You think allowing perverts to rape their children is better than letting government intervene. I think that's an abhorrent view and I'm really happy people like you are the rarity and people who want to stop those perverts are the commonality.

Did these people work for the government or for some leftist secular university?

As it happens yes. So? Do you think the children lie when they tell about their parents molesting them? I also happen to know people who personally claim to have been sexually abused by their parents. Perhaps they are lying too?

Why is it the State's responsibility to ensure a "reasonable standard of living"?

Because no one else is going to do it if the parents fail in their parental duties. Like I said, in my moral system, welfare of children is more important than totalitarian parental power. That is where this entire argument is derived from; you believe in totalitarianism while I believe in good lives.

What constitutes "abuse"?

Why are you asking me again? I already told you--rape, torture, and murder are all abuse.