[Chancellor]

Quote by: Alive Chancellor, I am reading nothing into your posts except what you yourself have said. Me: Every child deserves a good upbringing. You: Why? So you don't believe every child deserves a good upbringing. Hence, I am reading nothing you didn't say when I say that you believe that totatlitarian parental power is more important than welfare for children. You yourself assert that when they come into conflict, children do not deserve a good upbrining, but parents should have complete power over them. Indeed, you went even further:

I simply asked why every child "deserves" a good upbringing. The only correct response from you would have been for you to explain why every child "deserves" a good upbringing! Even here with your post you are still reading things into what I posted.

You: You falsely assume that the kid can't grow up and overcome his messed-up childhood! The welfare of children is of no concern to you as long as they grow up and overcome their bad childhood.

Again, it means exactly and only what it says: that you falsely assume that the kid can't grow up and overcome his messed-up childhood.

So it was you, not me, who introduced this so-called dichotomy between child welfare and parental control. You never argued, at least in the beginning, that parental control was better for the children, you only argued that children could grow out of whatever problems parental control brought upon them!!

No, I only argued that you falsely assumed the kid couldn't grow up and overcome his messed-up childhood. Try taking what I post to mean exactly and only what I post.

So tell me. Do you support parental control because it is good for the children, or because you oppose government intervention? If both, which is the more important factor? I presume nothing in thinking you care more about opposing the gov't then helping the kids because you said as much in your posts thus far.

I support parental control because that's where the control belongs and because I oppose government intervention. The parents gave birth to the children and that, in itself, places on the parents a certain moral responsibility for those children. That responsibility is absolute and no government has the moral right to usurp that responsibility.