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Others have done a good job pointing out your logical fallacies, so I'll leave you to answer for them. This however was not addressed. What you are doing here is building a straw man. The story is about the bill being proposed. How is it possible to provide examples of rights being violated with this law when this bill hasn't even passed yet?
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Wow shawmutt, Building a strawman? I thought I was addressing reality? Have there been any attacks on US soil by terrorists since 9/11? You are creating logical fallacies rather than answering the question.. The rant was not so much about the bill being proposed as it was about the uncalled for(policially motivated) criticisms about the wartime surveillance going on..and its posible impact on the civilian population. Plus you ignored the fact that it was deterring terrorist actions. You don't answer that point, or cant?
tivodan, I wonder whats going on in your thiought processes? You state..
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Do you even understand what the logical fallacy of the Appeal to Fear is?
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Covert electronic surveillance in wartime is appealing to fear? My fear is you are illogically mixing surveillance with the reasons for the invasion of Iraq? IMO you can't participate in our national defense because I wouldn't trust you? You might be appealing to fear and thats a logical fallacy? Hmm?
And then you post..
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What he precisely said was that our liberty-infringing efforts since 9/11 have not prevented further attacks. You did not address that point.)
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I had just asked the question were there any more attacks on US soils by Islamic terrorists after 9/11? Wasn't that my point or did I confuse you with a direct question..which you didn't answer?
Here is another doozer!
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What the hell do you think the cause for these attacks was?
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The old indirect consequences argument which really is illogical. Tell me did the USA somehow threaten Islam by sailing the USS Cole into an Muslim nations harbor? Did the terrorists have to attack it in revenge for the US supporting the Shah in Iran? Thats playground logic and should be relegated to that level. This is supposed to be a reasoned discussion!:rolleyes:
Answer the questions..Are we at war? In war are we allowed to gather intelligence about an enemies intentions? What did the US do directly to cause its embassies to be attacked, its warships to be bombed and its commercial aircraft to be hi hacked?