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Old Aug 1, 2007, 04:12 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Okay, what you wrote of Prussia and Germany got kind of blurry. The Germans were fascinating and unusal people, so I was very interested in studying them. The Prussians are a whole different ball game.

Germans were friendly, dreamy, unusally intellectual people, coming from a barbaric past of fighting to be respected. These guys ruled the barbaric realm because they were such good warriors. While the Romans walked over what was to become France and England, the Germans not only prevented the Romans from conquering them, but also played a strong role in bringing Rome down. Many of them learned Roman warfare by becoming Roman warriors for pay. They didn't exactly mean to over throw Rome but wanted a piece of the power Rome had, and when Rome fell, these people became the Holy Roman Empire, separate from the weak church power in Rome. When the church in Rome regained its power, the Germans lead the Protestant Reformation, once again creating a kind of empire separate from Rome.

Note the Germans attempted to dominate more through the church, than military might. Paradoxically, they were fascinated by science and technology, but ignored Roman culture. This is complex and confusing.
They took the religion but not the culture, so we get Nietzsche without the influence of Socrates. The culture Rome had came from the Greeks. Roman statesmen such as Cicero studied in Athens. Militarization of a country depends to some degree on following Nietzsche and ignoring Socrates. And nothing is better for war than religion! People believing they are protected by God and doing the will of God, are the best warriors.

Now the Prussians, invaded many times by Mongols, and lacking the natural resources and forrests of Germany, lived for military might. They developed very efficeint bureaucracy, and this is what is needed to unite a country and to provide social services like Social Security. Following the 30 Years War thata devastated Germany, the Germans felt volunerable to ther emperialistic neighbors, and at the same time they wanted nothing to do with war, nor with the difficult task of uniting people who fought with each other for 30 years. Judging themselves unfit for the challenge of unification, government and national defense, they turned these responsibilities over to the Prussians.

Understanding all this is necessary, because it is also the recent history of the US. Look at what you wrote. The US was pretty clueless when it came to war such as Europeans had developed warring. Yes, the US enraged in wars, but these were not the same rivalries as in Europe, because the US did not develop with strong neighbors who could march an army across boarders and conquer them. The reality of war, did to the US want the 30 Years War did to Germany. The US became determined to never engage in such wars again, and it did so by becoming the most powerful military might on earth.

This discussion belongs in politics, because it means having the bureaucratic organization of Prussian, and this is what the US stood against. It is this bureaucratic organization that makes such great military might possible, and also things like Worker's Compensation and Social Security. The US is what it stood against, because like Germany it wanted to end war. This includes destroying the soveriegnity of the states, and uniting them under a strong federal government in a way that would have never been tolerated when the Constitution was radified by soveriegn colonies. It includes replacing liberal education with education for technology for military and industrial purpose, and everyone knowing of Nietzsche, but not the philosophy of Socrates. It includes destroying the national heroes who were role models for strong, individual leadership, and praising efficiency and submission to state power. It is law without consdieration of personal differences and personal power, and a whole lot things the US stood against. The US has forgotten that for which it stood, and is the strongest military might on earth. That is the history of Germany too.


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