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christibe · Jul 31, 2007, 12:57 am

So, individual Americans may be fascist, but that doesn't identify America.

I was considering today that fascism couldn't actually take hold because of states' powers, as rmnunez pointed out. As much as the federal government could get out of whack and crazy, the states would always eventually come in to straighten the mess out. So, if the fasicst control continued, it would be nothing other than a coup.

But, I couldn't think of the exact mechanism in the government regarding states rights that would sort of 'automatically kick in' in the case of fascism. For example, many states have signed a petition to impeach the president and vp, however those are considered the more 'liberal' states, and somehow, despite opposition control in the Congress, impeachment proceedings have not begun. And it is unlikely they will. Why is a formal investigation so bad? I don't know... my guess is fascists don't take kindly to transparency in government?

Anyway, those minority of states may want something, but it really has to be an equally concerted effort by the states to really swing the federal government. So, if only a minority protested the fascist federal government, we would be left with the system itself supporting the fascism; that is, those states can still contest it all they want, but they aren't strong enough to change anything. And if the People still don't change it, then the fascism would stand. And, Fascism would be the new Americanism.

I think it is rather unlikely that it could happen, now that I have considered states rights and the unlikely set of circumstance that would make them all somewhat agree that the new direction was ok. The states are really the best representatives of who the people are. So while I admit it is unlikely, it still is possible.

And, I don't think I can really identify myself as American anymore if the very ideals I was so proud of can't even prohibit fascism, despite the contention that individual liberty is the catalyst to our nation.

Jul 31, 2007, 12:57 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
christibe Igneous Magma Posts: 322	So, individual Americans may be fascist, but that doesn't identify America. I was considering today that fascism couldn't actually take hold because of states' powers, as rmnunez pointed out. As much as the federal government could get out of whack and crazy, the states would always eventually come in to straighten the mess out. So, if the fasicst control continued, it would be nothing other than a coup. But, I couldn't think of the exact mechanism in the government regarding states rights that would sort of 'automatically kick in' in the case of fascism. For example, many states have signed a petition to impeach the president and vp, however those are considered the more 'liberal' states, and somehow, despite opposition control in the Congress, impeachment proceedings have not begun. And it is unlikely they will. Why is a formal investigation so bad? I don't know... my guess is fascists don't take kindly to transparency in government? Anyway, those minority of states may want something, but it really has to be an equally concerted effort by the states to really swing the federal government. So, if only a minority protested the fascist federal government, we would be left with the system itself supporting the fascism; that is, those states can still contest it all they want, but they aren't strong enough to change anything. And if the People still don't change it, then the fascism would stand. And, Fascism would be the new Americanism. I think it is rather unlikely that it could happen, now that I have considered states rights and the unlikely set of circumstance that would make them all somewhat agree that the new direction was ok. The states are really the best representatives of who the people are. So while I admit it is unlikely, it still is possible. And, I don't think I can really identify myself as American anymore if the very ideals I was so proud of can't even prohibit fascism, despite the contention that individual liberty is the catalyst to our nation.