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Quote by: Netopalis 1) Like father like son does not necessarily have to hold true. I differ from my father in many views. I really don't think that there's a correlation between a conservative presidency and the complete overthrow of the government to support a fascist regime.

Oh indeed.... I'm not exactly like my father either.... but let's just focus into the Bush family for now.... all of them have been in the political stages at some point in their lives.... two have been presidents, two of them invaded Iraq, Bush Jr.'s traits and desires stink to high hell of Facism..... what did his grandfather tried to do?

Sometimes family goes in different directions, but sometimes, many hold true to their personal family values brought up to them from generation to generation. Father=Son is not the foundation of my opinions, but it is a factor.

2) The higher ups may have supported the Nazi regime, but that does not mean that the US government knew about the attack - especially since it was the Japanese, not the Nazis, who attacked.

They were warned if you read the article.... they were told who, how, when and why they were planning a takeover, but there was too many involved in too many sections and positions in the government to by-pass all of this, and brush it under the rug.

Japan attacked the US because they were allies with Nazi Germany, and if the Nazis directly started the war with them, then that would be like biting the hand that feeds you..... The Japanese were on their own terms on the other side of the world, they probably didn't know the whole details between the US and Germany, they got paranoid, and they attacked.... possibly saving us all when you think about it. If they didn't attack you guys, you guys probably would have never joined in WWII and those hiding in higher up positions would continue to supply the Nazi's with funding and the sort. But with the majority of the population now fueled by anger from the Attack, it was pretty difficult to not talk the country out of joining the allies..... therefore cutting off the Nazi's additional supplies and funding.... which would also explain why as soon as you guys started with us all on D-Day, they started to collapse.... they no longer had the US support..... which would explain a lot.

3) Bill Clinton was also prepared to invade Iraq, based on similar intelligence.

But he didn't.... so this is irrelevent, except showing that Clinton knew better then Bush not to invade until further information was provided.

4) I really don't believe that it would be possible for Bush's grandfather to start WWII in the hopes that his grandson could become President and take over the nation. That's the definition of a long shot.

It sure is, which is why I didn't say he started WWII.... he helped plan a forced government takeover which would replace the government you "Knew" with a facist government..... if this happened in time, you guys probably wouldn't have been attacked by the Japanese, and you guys wouldn't have joined in WWII... if you did.... it probably would have been on the Axis's side.

And as for the illuminati and the masons, people have had those theories for years, and it's never held true.

Everything thus far has come true.... WWI, WWII, they historically existed, they historically were a part of founding the US..... the Majority of your US presidents have been linked and/or registered to the Masons, including Bush Jr..... It's funny how people can't see the patterns in time until they already pass, in which by that time it's too late.

5) I agree that many of Bush's policies have stood on shaky ground as far as free speech, but to compare it to the Nazi regime is, again, rather extreme.

It is by no means extreme... if you pull the holocaust factor out of the equation (At least until we find Bush's concentration camps) the rise of the Nazi Party, the methods Hitler put into place to remain in power, the singled out race/religion for all to hate, the false information and propaganda that Bush has distributed across the country and around the world to suit his own personal agendas for those who work for him and who he works for.... gee I dunno.... looks pretty Nazi to me.

And remember, most of the world never knew truly of all the evil acts the Nazis did until after they were defeated and Hitler's rule ended.

6) That would be impossible without a constitutional amendment. If he tried to stay in office again, he would be forced from power.

Ha.... like's he's been forced so far? He's done so many things that goes against the constitution and he's already implaced laws to keep him in in case of emergencies where he feels those coming in after him will comprimise the security in Iraq, etc.... It's already too late.

7) Finally, I do think that this comparison of Bush to Hitler is rather degrading to the memory of those who died in the holocaust. You can't simply compare someone whose policies you don't like to a man who killed millions of people merely because he didn't like their race. That is an illogical jump and is, at best, spurious propaganda.

Only if you, like other people who seem to be quite narrow minded, like to put the holocaust as the only thing the Nazi's did during their reign.

We all know of the holocaust.... hell I've read, learned and have been told much of it during my growing up I have done..... I'm not ignorant on the holocaust.... perhaps if you learned more of the history of the Nazis, besides the fact that they killed millions of people, you might see some connections.

But no.... you like others who try and de-evaluate someone's comparisons to WWII to today, love to stop at the holocaust, you think that's what everybody is always talking about, and that everything roots to the holocaust..... open your dam eyes, read what people are talking about and then input.

If I wanted to compare him to what the Nazi's did with the Holocaust, I would bring it up..... But I didn't.... so leave it out.

Until we do find Hitler, I mean Bush's Concentration camps (AKA: secret detention facilities) in the middle east, leave that factor out..... until then.... stick to the comparisons that everybody is talking about and try not to go too far off the beaten topic but pulling out the holocaust to de-evaluate....

Trying to discredit someone's opinion and resources by claiming you can't compare to the "Holocaust" only proves and shows everyone your narrow point of view as to what all really happened in the past. There was much more that occured between 1932-1945 then just the holocaust.

Once again... unless someone here tries to compare the "Holocaust" with anything happeneing today, then the Holocaust is irrelevent in this conversation..... leave it out and stick to what is being talked about.