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Old Jul 29, 2007, 02:13 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul
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Pretty simple if you actually applied logic.

You can make or purchase a deadly weapon, which is an inanimate object. A one time fee pays for ownership of the object.

Healthcare is a service, reliant on very expensive educational and life investement by those in the health profession, a profession where everything is changing rapidly which keeps costs for maintaining education in a competetive field. Healthcare workers deserve to be paid well for the level of service they provide, based on their education, ability and general treatment of people. Healthcare workers are not tools of the government, inanimate objects who are plugged in to work for the government with no voice on the level of their wages, their life, their potential.

You can't have a "natural right" to another persons labor..... that is slavery.

Not so hard to grasp is it?
Then how come we have a public school system to provide education for everyone? Is that not "teacher labor"?

Do all rights need to be "natural"?

How do they manufacture weapons without the labor of people?

Do we have a natural right to buy guns as part of our natural right to have a military and a police department, who is buying those "objects" and equipment for that service? Who is paying the men in uniform cheap wages to provide us our security?

Is disease not a common enemy to all mankind? A "natural" enemy?

In the U Tube debates all but one Democrat agreed to work for $6.00 per hour as President. That is the question Republicans fear the most, no doubt.

A lot of the costs for hiring a doctor or nurse is because of the equipment they must use to run tests and so forth, the 'overhead'. It is not all about their wages "free and clear". And because of the high cost of getting a good education. (which is tied in).

Indeed, a decent Universal Healthcare System would cost a lot, about a forth of what we spend per day on Iraq. (not sure). Doctors should be paid a decent "higher-middle class" wage in that system, and Nurses should get paid decent wages also, as outlined by their Unions and the agreements estabished in such talks. Why not. We pay out about 3 million bucks per mile to have some company build a freeway or highway, and I do not hear anyone boo hooing that "service".

But the cost of prescription drugs can be regulated.

As people buy handguns for self protection we end up paying via taxes for services that must monitor that business, emergency rooms must handle the victims of shootings, police must investigate gun related deaths, and politics must waste time with those lobby groups that want less regulation. So on and so forth. It is not just about a person buying an object. Costs to taxpayers are involved.

So if we are going to have the government providing services on behalf of the taypayers and / or for the good of the country then we should do it the right way and pay the service providers a decent wage. The firemen, the emergency room staff, the policemen, the military personel, the doctors and nurses, the teachers, and so forth.

We pay to have the police and miltary trained once a person is qualified.
Why not pay to have persons trained to be doctors? As we do for other service related non-private idenities, like the firemen and paramedics?

If you buy medical insurence you are paying for socialism. But without signing up for "insurence socialism" you cannot get a doctor to help you when in need of one. Medical socialism should not just be for the rich but for everyone. It is just a matter of shifting "privately paid for soicalism" to a program paid for by the government via a budget that everyone pays for, and everyone pays taxes. (re: sales tax).

This plan involves a number of related tasks.

1 - Making higher education more affordable.
2 - Reducing the role of private insurence companies.
3 - Providing information to the public on how to prevent illensses by staying healhy.
4 - Paying for the medical treatments and regulating the cost of drugs.
5 - Restructuring the tax system and the piorities of the federal budget.

This is my Five Point plan that I hope canadates will concider.
As this is all tied together relative to the war on disease.

Remotely related is the war on poverity.
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