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Old Jul 28, 2007, 10:36 am   #70 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready
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ZNYFRH said:
In this case, the right only specifies "bear arms." It doesn't say how. If the amendment stated "openly bear arms" I would be agreeing with you 100%. But it doesn't. ]
It doesn't NEED to state what condition of carry, since "to keep and bear arms" establishes the right, and to carry arms is an instrumental part of why arms are kept and born.

Your argument here is bordering on childish semantics.

For example......

If the Constitution said you had a "right to polish your nails and this right shall not be infringed", but it didn't specify which size of brush, or which colors you could use, would THOSE ISSUES be up to regulation or prohibition from government?!? NO!

You have the right to KEEP and BEAR arms. MY property is where arms that I own are stored, and my BODY is part of my property. I have a right to be secure in my property, as stated. "Property" and "secure" both play an integral role here.

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As I'm sure you'll agree, this gov't was founded on the idea that we all have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Agreed.

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Openly carrying a firearm conveys to the average citizen that one or more of those three basic rights is being threatened.
I DEMAND PROOF OF THIS ABSURD STATEMENT!

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So let me ask you... do you believe that something that threatens one of those three should be suppressed as quickly as possible?
Trick question. I believe individual rights should be upheld at all costs.

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From what I've read, I think you do. I think you believe that when something threatens your rights that you should fight to eliminate that thing.

So when you openly carrying a firearm is perceived as a threat by others, how is it wrong of them to want you to carry your firearm concealed?
The arm, nor my body is THEIR PROPERTY, so they have no RIGHT to expect or FORCE VIA LAW that I conceal that arm.

This is basic, fundamental property rights.

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You can still carry your gun, and more power to you for doing so.

Those who feel threatened will no longer perceive any threat.
So, if your neighbor feels threatened by swimming pools that are exposed to nature, does your neighbor have the right to FORCE you to cover your swimming pool with a shelter house at your own expense?

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Both of you can go on your way enjoying your rights.

The point is that your right to bear arms is not threatened by saying that you must bear arms concealed on your person.
Concealment brings along its own unique problems, as does open carry. Both however, are a right.

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But by openly carrying a firearm, you are a perceived threat to the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for others.
Nonsense, and unprovable.

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I don't think you are, not in the criminal sense, but that is their perception.
I am not living to please other peoples perceptions, or to meet the molds of other peoples desires.


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